I think the cosequin is supposed to help with phosphorous or potassium or 
something like that. Mine are pink and white too.  I dont know what the liver 
values are, but I listed everything that was out of range.  Bob is eating well 
and his weight is fine,  but he HATES getting fluids.  He will take his norvasc 
in a pill pocket but he hates taking the cosequin because it's too big for one 
of those and I have to pill him.
  I checked out the crf site Beth sent and I'm going to look at methods of 
giving fluids and see if I can't figure out a better way to give them that will 
work.  I normally can barely get 50 in him at a time, and quite frankly have 
given up on them until I felt like he really needed them to get by......... :(

Belinda Sauro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
      Hi Tonya,
  Lysine as far as I know isn't going to hurt his kidney's, never heard that 
Cosquin helps them, Fred gets this for his arthritis too.  He gets the pink and 
white capsules, my vet said I could go with 1 or 2 a day depending on how 
Fred's arthritis seemed to be.  He currently get 1 because he gets so much 
stuff now already, that seems to be enough for him.  They really need to be 
given everyday though, they take up to 6 weeks to make a difference.  I've 
never seen a BUN that low if it is correct, what are his liver values like?
   Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN) - Urea, which is normally excreted by the kidney, 
is a by-product of protein metabolism.
   High levels of BUN may be the result of a high protein diet, dehydration, 
ulcers in the digestive tract, kidney disease, or blockage of the normal flow 
of urine (from a crystal or mucus plug, for example).  
   Low BUN levels can result from a low protein diet or liver disease.
I wouldn't worry so much about the low protein diet, my vet said she didn't get 
them on that until the end stages when they were a lot worse than Bob is, Fred 
doesn't eat that stuff and he does fine.  He eats Fancy Feast, home cooked or 
baby food with supplements.  He has been CRF for over 2 years now and his last 
blood work like I said was really good, almost normal.  Mainly you want to keep 
the phosphorus under 6, mid 4's if good and the potassium solidly in the mid to 
high 4's.  Low potassium can cause back leg muscle weakness and isn't good for 
the heart.  I agree that 100cc of fluid a week is not going to do much good.  
If Bob is dehydrated I would give him between 50 and 100cc a day, if he isn't 
he doesn't need any fluids.  Fred even when his numbers are low is dehydrated 
and needs 100cc a day.

Fred has lost pretty much all the muscle in both back legs now, he still gets 
around OK just can't use them to scratch or anything else.  He is starting to 
lose a bit of weight so I have to really keep on him to eat, he is getting lazy 
and if the food is not right there in front of him he will go without, so I 
have to remember to make sure he has food wherever he is laying.

It's almost time for more blood work, kind of afraid of what it is going to say 
though, it was really good last time, so I hope it is still good.

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