Do the vets volunteer their services?  Who covers the costs of the meds, etc.  
We have a no kill shelter in our area, but they are having financial problems 
like everyone else and they have to chrge $150.00 for each adoption to cover 
their expenses.  Do vaccine companies ever donate to shelters?  I know pet food 
companies do.

---- Joslin Potter <> wrote: 
> I really like what our town has, they have a spay and neuter clinic express, 
> services include:
Pain Control injection $10.00 
Microchip $20.00 
General Dewormer $5.00 
Rabies Vaccination $10.00 
Distemper combo Vaccination $10.00 
Fecal Parasite Test $15.00 
Frontline application $15.00 
Heartworm Test $15.00 
Spays are under $45 for fm cats and $30 for males.... the only down fall is 
that they are not in one specific area for very long so you have to almost get 
an appointment months in advance which sometimes is not convenient, I wish they 
had more of these that were stationed. Perhaps more people would get their 
animals fixed. I know a friend of mine that lived in Adrian MI, he used a 
friends addess and took his kitties into Ohio where they were fixed for free do 
to income. It is too bad to see all those kittens that get dropped of at animal 
control. We recently lost our FeLV cat on September 25th. he was having 
reoccuring bladder infections and peeing blood, after countless trips, and 
watching him howel and cry up and down the stairs, no longer able to jump on 
furniture, we made the hardest decision for our fur baby. he was 5 dx for 4 yrs 
of his life. However, we did adpot a kitten from our local shelter, looking 
into all those scared and innocent eyes, we
>  might be, when we get caught up, adpot another. Kudos to you Natialie, that 
> is amazing that you can offer shelter to cats/kittens in need. 

 From: Natalie <>
Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:14 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  FW: Bow hunting

Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, they 
would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and 
probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the 
year, as they do now.  It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very 
differently, depending on the species.  
It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore.  I doubt 
that companion animals will ever become extinct.  My hope would be that every 
time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting list – 
what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, beautiful 
animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is unbearable.  I 
started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much has changed, other 
than other small groups in the area doing the same thing.  People are still not 
spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks! 
 Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially 
for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we care.
From:Felvtalk [] On Behalf Of Kathryn 
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting
Does this happen with all species?
I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats 
bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably 
better to try to get numbers down.   I prefer the methods some used with 
wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their 
hormones by taking out the sex organs.  That said, we're real good at 
exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS <> wrote:
It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a 
biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts 
go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their 
fetuses.  Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may 
seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) 
regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were 
available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition.
The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been 
able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at 
the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring 
back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting 
licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY.
From:Felvtalk [] On Behalf Of Kathryn 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will 
level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite 
predation (of any sort).   This is why if you want to reduce a species' 
population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up 
some of that capacity.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie <> wrote:
No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to 
research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin 
or even triple at 38%.  It’s just nature’s way!  In fact, predators are better 
hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, 
thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the result 
of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with the best 
specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals.
No, I do not eat any meat.
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