The pounds/shelters have a higher profile than do rescuers.  If they
sincerely implement the No Kill Equation, they can save over 90% of their
intake, including those animals brought in or dumped by the minority of the
public that is irresponsible.  Until they do so, however, they are not a
resource for rescuers, but rather yet another burden on them (as they rely
too heavily on rescuers to bail the animals, rather than marketing them

There are still small wild cats in Africa.  I wonder how often they go into

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Natalie <> wrote:

> *Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long
> ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered
> wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times
> throughout the year, as they do now.  It does happen to most wildlife, but
> obviously very differently, depending on the species.  *
> *It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore.  I
> doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct.  My hope would be
> that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a
> waiting list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of
> healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds
> is unbearable.  I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think
> much has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same
> thing.  People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their
> pets, and many are still total jerks!  Those of us who do rescue, are
> paying emotional, physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible
> behavior, because we care.*
> ** **
> *From:* Felvtalk 
> [<>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM
> *To:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting****
> ** **
> Does this happen with all species?****
> ** **
> I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral
> cats bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's
> probably better to try to get numbers down.   I prefer the methods some
> used with wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with
> their hormones by taking out the sex organs.  That said, we're real good at
> exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals.
> ****
> ** **
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS <> wrote:****
> *It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach
> a biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm
> counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb
> their fetuses.  Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because
> they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich
> hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of
> food were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition.**
> ***
> *The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they
> have been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped
> them out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing
> them to bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it
> can be (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY.*****
> *From:* Felvtalk 
> [<>]
> *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM****
> *To:*
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting****
> Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species
> will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat,
> despite predation (of any sort).   This is why if you want to reduce a
> species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized
> ones take up some of that capacity.****
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie <> wrote:****
> *No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point!
> According to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while
> hunted herds twin or even triple at 38%.  It’s just nature’s way!  In fact,
> predators are better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals,
> while hunters avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool –
> healthier animals are not the result of hunting – that’s done at deer farms
> by mating the best with the best specimen, producing fantastic trophy
> animals.*****
> *No, I do not eat any meat.*****
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Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal!

If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their
life.  Contact your local pound for information.

If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and
to free up cage space.

Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by
implementing the No Kill Equation:<>

Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities:

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