I would like to spay/neuter a lot of the "intelligent" human population.  They 
also treat their children the same way.  i know of one who feeds her children 
cereal because they can get that by themselves.  She would prefer to do her 
heroin instead of cooking.  She is now in prison and her children stay with 
grandparents or roam the streets.


---- Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote: 
> Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, 
> they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and 
> probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the 
> year, as they do now.  It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very 
> differently, depending on the species.  
> 
> It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore.  I 
> doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct.  My hope would be that 
> every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting 
> list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, 
> beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is 
> unbearable.  I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much 
> has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same thing.  
> People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many 
> are still total jerks!  Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, 
> physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we 
> care.
> 
>  
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Kathryn Hargreaves
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting
> 
>  
> 
> Does this happen with all species?
> 
>  
> 
> I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats 
> bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably 
> better to try to get numbers down.   I prefer the methods some used with 
> wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their 
> hormones by taking out the sex organs.  That said, we're real good at 
> exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals.
> 
>  
> 
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS <g...@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a 
> biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm 
> counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb 
> their fetuses.  Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because 
> they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich 
> hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food 
> were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition.
> 
> The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have 
> been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them 
> out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to 
> bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be 
> (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY.
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Kathryn Hargreaves
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM
> 
> 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
> 
> Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will 
> level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite 
> predation (of any sort).   This is why if you want to reduce a species' 
> population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up 
> some of that capacity.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie <at...@optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According 
> to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds 
> twin or even triple at 38%.  It’s just nature’s way!  In fact, predators are 
> better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters 
> avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are 
> not the result of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with 
> the best specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals.
> 
> No, I do not eat any meat.
> 


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