I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, treat her and hope. I would have walked out the door and never returned if he only had one solution. Find another vet.
---- Ardy Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello, > > If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, > especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are > told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no > options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my > other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing! I said “no”! If > there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV > crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and > while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets > wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time was > slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t really > explain anything about the blood test results. I basically had to learn > everything from reading online. For instance I did not know that stress can > bring on a crisis. We had brought a stray into our house, and she was > running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that was high. > I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus spreads to other > cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of age because their > immune system can usually defend them from it. That is also how I found this > group online. > > > > It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone > marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on > it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also > known as Stanozolol. I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to > ship into the US. I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. > Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any > meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do > the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a loving > cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online easily, > would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat owners, and > eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I hope one day, > they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents. > > > > If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s > treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we > eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and > it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the > time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had > started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I could > be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the cat, > waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops up and > attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through that > particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly for > very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low. > > > > Thank you, > > Ardy > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Rachel Dagner > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol > > > > I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a > name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? > > > > Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in > and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours > worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when > you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge heart > and a beautiful soul. > > > > A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information instead > of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there are places > where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one. But I am good > at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we could look at. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Rachel > > > > I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about > 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as > my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t > get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, I > don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go to > court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of the > world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at all. > Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of Medical > Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated having to > do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night and work > all day TOO. > > > > Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it > comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information > about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible > objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to stop > their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end up not > being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug to be > avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the Winstrol > sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally speaking, that > when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad shape, all else has > failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of faith in Winstrol, > but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I have used it and > gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have told me that > there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So why not try > the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance. > > > > I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of > anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. > Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I > ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to > trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want > to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a > skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in > mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed > him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER clinic. > However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and allowed me to > take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different treatment > modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw Zander > improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered from > what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some daylight > between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets started to > suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t FeLV after all. REALLY frustrating. There > is no way to convince someone who insists on not being convinced – even with > weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab results. Anyway, all that > to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet believes that the Winstrol > saved Zander, but if confronted by other vets, I am sure she would temper her > comments so she doesn’t appear foolish and out of step to them. > > > > Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able to obtain the > Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to me that this may be the > most promising route. The trouble isn’t getting the Winstrol once you have a > prescription – the problem is getting that prescription from your vet. Once > you have that, you can order the medication online from a compounding > pharmacy and Ardy let us know about the one she used which shipped to her > from another state. > > > > I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have a talk > with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing little in the way > of options except euthanasia, and a trial of Winstrol is inexpensive and > certainly not painful to the cat, so rather than simply putting the cat down, > why not trying the Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of liver > damage, and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize that risk > but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes often rise with the > use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific trials linking the use of > Winstrol to any lasting liver damage. In the end, you are in charge. Of > course the vet can refuse to provide the Winstrol and can decide he/she > doesn’t want you for a client, so remain calm and not belligerent if you want > to avoid that outcome. I would like to think that most vets, when faced with > a logical, measured decision to try a specific course of treatment, would > assist even if you don’t have their full support on the chosen treatment. > > > > I think that once we have some helpful vet names, these also can be shared so > people know where they can go where they will get the support they need for > their FeLV cats. If anyone is situated near Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I am > happy to provide them with my vet’s name and location. She is very kind, > really cares about my cats, and respects my input very much, so we get along > just fine. I have moved away from where the clinic is located and now have to > travel close to an hour to take my cats there, but I just feel up to going > through the same battle with another vet right now, so I’ll stick to the ones > who have known me for decades and respect my decisions. > > > > Remember too that I used a number of medications with the Winstrol. I used > prednisone, Winstrol, metoclopramide (Zander seemed to have problems passing > stool for a while and research online shows that FeLV affects the intestinal > walls as well – metoclopramide was VERY helpful to get the stool moving > regularly and I believe without the stool sitting still in one area of the > intestinal tract, it took away the environment which encouraged the > intestinal walls to be attacked and become inflamed), and Doxycycline. When I > was trying help Ardy with Tigger, her vet wanted Tigger on Convenia and so as > to “pick our battles”, I told Ardy to accept the Convenia instead of the > Doxycyclne and we would play it by ear. I knew of course that antibiotics > don’t kill viruses, and I couldn’t remember why Doxycycline was so important. > I figured I had used it for covering for potential secondary infections. > However, after seeing some blasts showing up on the blood work, I > reconsidered and remembered that Doxycycline actually works to block RNA > synthesis, which is how the virus reproduces, so while the Winstrol was > working to restore progenitor cells in the bone marrow to get new blood cells > produced, the Doxycycline was blocking the virus from continuing to reproduce > unchecked. > > > > And Rachel – I am not “that” kind of a lawyer, so I can’t defend you from a > drug charge, but I do have contacts across the U.S., so I promise to get you > help should you end up in trouble because of my preaching about Winstrol:). I > am a medical malpractice lawyer - Google me – I figured I would put my > scientific and medical knowledge to good use when I left the medical field > behind. > > > > See – not all lawyers are bad! > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Rachel Dagner > Sent: May-14-16 7:48 AM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol > > > > Good Morning Amani, > > > > I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too! > > > > I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to get > their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was thinking > that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us looking to go this > route, you could start a file of those who have tried it along with blood > test results and notes or letters from vets, along with places we find that > make Winstrol. You could then send the file to people to take with them to > their vets. The more vets that try it and see results the more likely they > are to try it again and share their experience with other vets. > > > > My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug dealer, > and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a book about it. > > > > Option one sounds a little more promising though. > > > > Rachel > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
