When I brought Tucker home from work he had an infection on his leg and I took him to get treated, he had a chip so we found out he didn't need shots for six months. When I took him for shots she me if I wanted the felv vaccine because I used to let him go outside too. We tested him first and it came back positive :(. She told me he could live three months or a long normal life there was just no telling. She never even said the word euthanize.
Sent from my iPhone > On May 15, 2016, at 5:45 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I really feel blessed because my vet said 2 choices, euthansia or keep Annie, > treat her and hope. I would have walked out the door and never returned if > he only had one solution. Find another vet. > > > ---- Ardy Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> If I can jump in on the website idea, I believe that would help people, >> especially people like me who had no experience with FeLV. Suddenly you are >> told one of your kitties has FeLV virus, and you are being told there are no >> options other than euthanasia. My vets even wanted me to go home and get my >> other two cats and bring them in that day for euthanizing! I said “no”! If >> there was a website that sort of listed a protocol for treating the FeLV >> crises, that would be great! One of our vets then offered Interferon and >> while I was placing my hopes on that treatment, believing that the vets >> wanted Tigger to live and pull out of the crisis he was in, valuable time >> was slipping away and Tigg’s blood counts were taking a dive. They didn’t >> really explain anything about the blood test results. I basically had to >> learn everything from reading online. For instance I did not know that >> stress can bring on a crisis. We had brought a stray into our house, and >> she was running up behind Tigger and biting him hard. His stress from that >> was high. I also learned from reading online that while the FeLV virus >> spreads to other cats, it is hardly ever spread to a cat over 11 months of >> age because their immune system can usually defend them from it. That is >> also how I found this group online. >> >> >> >> It was when Amani explained that Winstrol has been shown to turn the bone >> marrow back on to producing blood cells, that I decided to take a chance on >> it. Then much more time was lost trying to find a way to get Winstrol, also >> known as Stanozolol. I found a source in Canada, but they were not able to >> ship into the US. I live in Wisconsin, so I had to find a source in the US. >> Again, as a novice, I did not have the information I needed to make any >> meaningful decisions. I happen to be computer-literate so I was able to do >> the searching for ways to get Winstrol etc., I shudder to think what a >> loving cat owner who just doesn’t happen to be able to find things online >> easily, would do! So the need for information is critical……both for cat >> owners, and eventually to change the minds of the veterinary community! I >> hope one day, they will actually SUGGEST it to cat parents. >> >> >> >> If a website could ever become a reality, I would gladly share Tigger’s >> treatment details, along with his blood test results. Even though we >> eventually lost him, I feel I was given some additional time with him – and >> it was good quality time with him feeling very good, and playful most of the >> time. I also feel he may have pulled through this particular crisis if I had >> started this treatment regime as soon as I knew he was FeLV positive. I >> could be wrong, but I think the FeLV virus sometimes sits dormant in the >> cat, waiting for some period of stress in the cat’s life, and then it pops >> up and attacks in varying ways. If the owner is able to get the cat through >> that particular crisis, then I think it sometimes backs off again, possibly >> for very long periods, especially if the cat’s stress levels can be kept low. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ardy >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Rachel Dagner >> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 10:34 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol >> >> >> >> I have googled you, you are the only one on here that I can put a face to a >> name! Can we post pictures when we send messages? >> >> >> >> Yes, not all lawyers are bad. Lol I am glad you do something you believe in >> and that is fulfilling and helps people. Probably makes all of the hours >> worth it. That and you love kitties and help people on here with theirs when >> you have so little time tells me you are a wonderful person with a huge >> heart and a beautiful soul. >> >> >> >> A web site would be awesome, somewhere to send people for information >> instead of having to start over completely with a new person. I know there >> are places where you can do free websites. I have no idea how to do one. >> But I am good at researching and figuring things out, so it's something we >> could look at. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On May 14, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Hi Rachel >> >> >> >> I AM working today. I got up late since in fact, I was working until about >> 4:30 a.m. That’s one thing about working for myself (with just my husband as >> my partner). There is only this single perk I have and that is that I don’t >> get up early since I generally work all night. I figure since I’m the boss, >> I don’t have to justify my hours to anyone else! Of course, if I have to go >> to court for motions or trials, then I have to get up early like the rest of >> the world, but frankly, when I am in court, I generally don’t go to bed at >> all. Fun, eh? And to think that one of the reasons I left the field of >> Medical Laboratory Technology and decided to be a lawyer was that I hated >> having to do midnight shifts. Now, it’s not a “shift”. I’m just up ALL night >> and work all day TOO. >> >> >> >> Rachel, what I would love to do is have someone way smarter than me when it >> comes to websites, develop a website where we can collect the information >> about Winstrol. It is absolutely essential for us to collect credible >> objective scientific information if we are going to convince the vets to >> stop their ridiculous crusade against Winstrol. At worst, the drug may end >> up not being very effective in a particular case, but it isn’t a demon drug >> to be avoided at all costs, and frankly, I suspect that starting the >> Winstrol sooner would likely give the best outcome. I think, generally >> speaking, that when Winstrol is finally used, the cat is in pretty bad >> shape, all else has failed, and we are asking for a miracle. I have a lot of >> faith in Winstrol, but I know full well it doesn’t always work. However, I >> have used it and gotten amazing results in circumstances where the vets have >> told me that there is nothing they have to offer, and nothing will work. So >> why not try the Winstrol? I simply don’t get the reluctance. >> >> >> >> I would love to get Winstrol for everyone and I am trying to keep track of >> anyone who lets me know they have used it and how they obtained it. >> Unfortunately, often people will not respond with that information when I >> ask. Perhaps they suddenly wonder if I am a fed, posing as a cat-lover to >> trap unwary online folks, looking to save their babies. And I wouldn’t want >> to expose my vet to criticism from colleagues. I think she is less of a >> skeptic than most, because I let her know what I have seen, but she came in >> mid-way during my ordeal with Zander. She wasn’t the first vet who diagnosed >> him and she never saw how bad he was because by then, I was at the ER >> clinic. However, she allowed me to try various medications regimes, and >> allowed me to take the weekly blood work while I assessed the different >> treatment modalities to determine what was working and what wasn’t. She saw >> Zander improve and was extremely impressed, but you know, once he recovered >> from what was deemed to be a death sentence, and after there was some >> daylight between the crisis and his current excellent condition, vets >> started to suggest to me that maybe it wasn’t FeLV after all. REALLY >> frustrating. There is no way to convince someone who insists on not being >> convinced – even with weekly lab results in hand and before and after lab >> results. Anyway, all that to say that if push comes to shove, I think my vet >> believes that the Winstrol saved Zander, but if confronted by other vets, I >> am sure she would temper her comments so she doesn’t appear foolish and out >> of step to them. >> >> >> >> Ardy was generous with her information about where she was able to obtain >> the Winstrol and shared it with everyone, and it seems to me that this may >> be the most promising route. The trouble isn’t getting the Winstrol once you >> have a prescription – the problem is getting that prescription from your >> vet. Once you have that, you can order the medication online from a >> compounding pharmacy and Ardy let us know about the one she used which >> shipped to her from another state. >> >> >> >> I think each of us who wants to try out the Winstrol, needs to have a talk >> with our vets, and explain to them that they are providing little in the way >> of options except euthanasia, and a trial of Winstrol is inexpensive and >> certainly not painful to the cat, so rather than simply putting the cat >> down, why not trying the Winstrol. Tell them that you understand the risk of >> liver damage, and again, given the alternative, you accept and recognize >> that risk but it is your understanding that while the liver enzymes often >> rise with the use of Winstrol, there is no evidence or scientific trials >> linking the use of Winstrol to any lasting liver damage. In the end, you are >> in charge. Of course the vet can refuse to provide the Winstrol and can >> decide he/she doesn’t want you for a client, so remain calm and not >> belligerent if you want to avoid that outcome. I would like to think that >> most vets, when faced with a logical, measured decision to try a specific >> course of treatment, would assist even if you don’t have their full support >> on the chosen treatment. >> >> >> >> I think that once we have some helpful vet names, these also can be shared >> so people know where they can go where they will get the support they need >> for their FeLV cats. If anyone is situated near Toronto, Ontario, Canada, I >> am happy to provide them with my vet’s name and location. She is very kind, >> really cares about my cats, and respects my input very much, so we get along >> just fine. I have moved away from where the clinic is located and now have >> to travel close to an hour to take my cats there, but I just feel up to >> going through the same battle with another vet right now, so I’ll stick to >> the ones who have known me for decades and respect my decisions. >> >> >> >> Remember too that I used a number of medications with the Winstrol. I used >> prednisone, Winstrol, metoclopramide (Zander seemed to have problems passing >> stool for a while and research online shows that FeLV affects the intestinal >> walls as well – metoclopramide was VERY helpful to get the stool moving >> regularly and I believe without the stool sitting still in one area of the >> intestinal tract, it took away the environment which encouraged the >> intestinal walls to be attacked and become inflamed), and Doxycycline. When >> I was trying help Ardy with Tigger, her vet wanted Tigger on Convenia and so >> as to “pick our battles”, I told Ardy to accept the Convenia instead of the >> Doxycyclne and we would play it by ear. I knew of course that antibiotics >> don’t kill viruses, and I couldn’t remember why Doxycycline was so >> important. I figured I had used it for covering for potential secondary >> infections. However, after seeing some blasts showing up on the blood work, >> I reconsidered and remembered that Doxycycline actually works to block RNA >> synthesis, which is how the virus reproduces, so while the Winstrol was >> working to restore progenitor cells in the bone marrow to get new blood >> cells produced, the Doxycycline was blocking the virus from continuing to >> reproduce unchecked. >> >> >> >> And Rachel – I am not “that” kind of a lawyer, so I can’t defend you from a >> drug charge, but I do have contacts across the U.S., so I promise to get you >> help should you end up in trouble because of my preaching about Winstrol:). >> I am a medical malpractice lawyer - Google me – I figured I would put my >> scientific and medical knowledge to good use when I left the medical field >> behind. >> >> >> >> See – not all lawyers are bad! >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Rachel Dagner >> Sent: May-14-16 7:48 AM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Amani thoughts for Winstrol >> >> >> >> Good Morning Amani, >> >> >> >> I hope you are not working today, lawyers need QOL too! >> >> >> >> I have been thinking about Winstrol and how hard it is for people to get >> their vets to get on board and how hard it is to find it. So I was thinking >> that maybe since you are the go to person for those of us looking to go this >> route, you could start a file of those who have tried it along with blood >> test results and notes or letters from vets, along with places we find that >> make Winstrol. You could then send the file to people to take with them to >> their vets. The more vets that try it and see results the more likely they >> are to try it again and share their experience with other vets. >> >> >> >> My second option would be that I could become a Winstrol kitty drug dealer, >> and if I got caught you could defend me. Then we could write a book about it. >> >> >> >> Option one sounds a little more promising though. >> >> >> >> Rachel >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
