Hi Jennifer, I had an FeLV+ kitty for 5-1/2 years and did not know he was positive because he had tested negative as a kitten when I found him. So during that time he came in contact with many other cats, and none of them became positive. I read that after 11 months of age, it is quite rare for a cat to catch it from a positive friend. Had I known Tigger was positive, I might not have kept him – but I am so very happy I didn’t know it and kept him, because I would never have known how much fun and love he brought to our house! Whatever you decide, my best to you and your little one. I would for sure get him on the Doxy as soon as you can.
Ardy From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 5:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hi, thank you for replying. It is helpful to talk to someone with experience with this. Sorry to be ignorant but, how do I post where I am? (Not sure what that means). And If I post, is it ok to ‘put it out there’ re: possible home with other felv positives? Esp because I would be willing to help support him which I think makes a difference. we’d love to keep and care for him and this sucks !! but i’m trying to be positive that a plan will happen. He went from hissy street cat to curling up in my lap. Urg! I’d worry with someone else unless it was someone with experience, or like u said non cat crazy people but compassionate and committed. We discussed it a few times and just would not be comfortable with the risk of coMingling them unfortunately,-:( which sucks. Or the whole vaccination thing b/c with multiple other cats it’ll be too much craziness plus not even sure of efficacy, or side effects. That leaves me with leaving him separated and constantly trying to be sterilized on our end which seems cumbersome and I’m not so sure fair to him to be isolated all the time. OR the only cat. OR in a multi pos. home (prob. preferrable b/c someone would know how to treat him). OR putting him back outside which doesn’t seem best for him. I can imagine there are times it works out ok to comingle yes, where it can be ok vs ‘oh my gosh no don’t do that’. That is what happened with my FIV cat which is a long story but bottom line after research and talking to folks it was an ok fit b/c no one were fighters. felv is different. I have known others (individuals or rescues) where exposure of different things had bad outcomes. I guess it’s a matter of variables, situations and/or luck. Sounds like you have been fortunate which is awesome. (Thanks for ALL u do to help the felines-:) I got the antibiotic before seeing this. I am familiar with doxy and thought that’s what he’d give, but it was Orbax (Orbifloxacin). Are U familiar? When i got it I asked front desk if it was as strong as doxy and she said yes and that it’s broad spectrum antibiotic. Thoughts? Are u familiar with Collodial Silver? If not I can send the link. I was recommended this yesterday for use for people and cats or other animals. Cat person said she uses all the time for different things from bacterial infections to URI’s. It’s a natural antibiotic. It lists as an option for stomatitis and felv use so I imagine it cannot hurt, in basic doses. (supposed to be good for many things including inflammation and immune-building). I plan to give him that and the antibiotic; was ok with vet . With ur experience and what u’ve heard (he’s between 5-7 yrs. old they say; to be neutered in couple weeks; 10lbs (needs gain some); Bad stomatitis (i’ll send pic if u want ): A) what’s ur feeling about putting him back outside? (I’ve never done that; he could get by but My feeling is he shouldn’t be in the elements and would do better inside)—- just not sure what will happen if there are no other good options. B) at that age and what you are hearing... any sense of lifespan? (I know it’s hard to say but was guessing 2-4 years or up to a year). my vet said oldest one he knew of was patient’s who lived to 8y/o. What’s ur feeling of assessing if he could last a while or if things could go south quickly?? I guess i’m trying to imagine how long or short term the commitment may be. C). He would def . seem to have felv by way of strong stain and stomatitis. In doing some research, I wonder about the confirmTory IFA test. It seems if it’s pos. too, that it’s in the bone marrow and no chance shedding it. Thanks! Jennifer On Jun 9,r 2018, at 1:24 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Jennifer – from your area code, you are no where near me. You need to post where you are. Can I also suggest you get your vet to start him on doxycycline – 50 mg. daily, for an extended treatment period like 6 weeks. As long as he isn’t showing other symptoms other than the stomatitis, that should be enough for now. Even if your vet wants to put him other antibiotics, the Doxycycline should also be considered alongside other meds. It has been to shown to interfere with viral replication so it might help. I have used it for both FeLV and FIV cats, and had good results. (I won’t go into the details, since everyone on this chatline is well and truly tired of me posting the same stuff in answer to new inquiries:).) I think what you’re doing is simply tremendous. Unfortunately, you may have a very difficult time finding a home for him. Anyone who doesn’t have a cat already is not a crazy cat person, and therefore, likely unwilling to take on a cat with significant responsibilities – at least into the future. Anyone with a cat or cats will have the same issues you mention with respect to worrying about cross-contamination. I agree that someone with a positive household may be an option. Though I doubt it can help with your decision-making (since I understand the fact that no one can reassure you 100% that nothing will happen), I have had both FeLV cats and FIP cats enter my household on several occasions. Each time, my vet would warn that this would “clear out my house” when it came to the other cats. However, I never had another cat become FeLV positive or FIP positive. I think that kittens are vulnerable, so I stayed away from taking on kittens when I had these cats, but other than that, not much else changed. My FeLV cat lived to age 7, and had had a significant time frame when he was very ill and therefore likely shedding the virus. I had at last 8 other cats during this time frame. No one ever got sick. I currently have a FIP+ cat, and have had her for four years already, and I am shockingly up to 18 cats (don’t ask - taking in all the neighbourhood strays) and no one else has had a problem with FIP – AND I had two litters of kittens in the house this past year, and took in a another kitten who was about 6 months old in October – again, so far so good. Amani From: Felvtalk [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jennifer Minnich Sent: June-09-18 12:53 PM To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 47, Issue 6 Hello, I subscribed a few years ago but have never posted; not even sure how. I think I tried and never worked. Is this a forum to ask advice and/or ask about long term foster or adopter? Please I hope u will read this. 🙏 Thank you. A male tabby community cat by my house who I befriended turns out to be double positive.-:( I would notice pain when he was eating so then I eventually pureed wet food in the blender til was like soup and sat with him while he ate... I was so happy he’d eat! Even that was hard sometimes til eventually it was manageable. My plan was to neuter/shots/chip/get tested, and adopt. Things took a different order b/c I felt so bad about his mouth so I took him by my vet first to diagnose... well he tested double positive-:(, and has very bad stomatitis. I got antibiotics, and am gonna give with collodial silver. He has neuter appt. In a couple weeks. They think he is 5-6 y/o. I am at a crossroads b/c I do not want to put him back outside-:( yet I don’t want to expose my cats. Speaking to our vet, Adopting him ourselves doesn’t seem too super viable unless we separate him and we’d wonder or worry about possible cross contamination. Vaccinating our indoor cats doesn’t seem practical as it would get costly and concerning b/c of possible side effects or efficacy. Which leads me to: If he were an only cat (or only cat with other animals), OR in a multi-positive house with experienced felv parents, that would be options for him.. I just want him to be indoor only, loved, safe, and cared for; it’s a lot to take on but he’s So worth it and deserves it; he clearly was overlooked in the neighborhood and now has a chance at at least comfort care and love; if it can’t be me, my hope is it would be someone who gets his situation and loves and cares for him no matter what. To a right home with good people, I would be willing to transport and/or support $ him if needed. Do you know of anyone? Is this a forum that I could ask? Thank you for ur compassion, and time! Jennifer 305-298-3709 On Jun 8, 2018, at 9:23 PM, Deborah Whorley <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Latest discussion from this group. 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Re: Quentin (Marlene Snowman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 16:22:18 -0300 From: Marlene Snowman <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin Message-ID: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you, I appreciate this. Marlene Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > In my world, my perspective is usually, it can?t hurt. I would at least get > her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, > or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to > watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get > stuck in a cat?s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had > that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and > all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and > ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that > the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in > liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of > proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what > happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has > improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a > tetracycline) to ha ve a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of > a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme > nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every > week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. > > The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no > issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been > able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. > > That being said, I?m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, > with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else > further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn?t working on eliminating > this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is > the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a > worsening. > > Thoughts ? > M > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Marlene > > I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no > problems, I wouldn?t be too concerned. > > I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. > Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for > kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when > my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little > kitten when we first got him ? worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost > blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other > cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it. > > With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and > his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no > advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV > positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn?t > treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with > a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 > to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep > him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there ? LTCI, > interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that > time. It wasn?t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get > a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit > finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low > numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions. > > I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating > Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, > and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the > ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I > would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating > with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is > there, it is stymied in its ability to reproduce. The problem is that there > is really no way to know if the Doxycycline did anything, if the cat doesn?t > go on to have a frank FeLV infection. It could obviously also be that the cat > would never have gone on to have a frank FeLV infection. However, in my mind > anyway, I think it would be a reasonable approach to treat with Doxycycline > in the absence of symptoms, after a FeLV diagnosis. I recommend an extended > treatment course of 6 weeks, because this is not a bacterial infection, an d what is being hoped for here is to stymie the reproduction and spreading of a virus. > > I also mentioned recently on this chatline, that I found that the Doxycycline > is also one of the few antibiotics which is effective against the immature > phase of round worms. I had no idea that there was anything to done for round > worms except the deworming that is regularly done. I had done that with a > group of cats (young siblings) I had rescued from the road, and then A YEAR > later, one of the three vomited up a round worm. I couldn?t figure out what > had happened. One of the other siblings had gotten pregnant (yes ? I am > totally embarrassed ? long story but not acceptable) and HER KITTENS had a > whole lot of very strange symptoms. I finally figured out that the life cycle > of round worms has the immature stage going through bodily tissues including > the eyes, and these kittens had all kinds of eye problems which ONLY > responded to oral doxycycline ? ie ? nothing topical and no other > antibiotics. Anyway, I?ll save you all my pondering and research on this, and > my ultimate conclusion t hat deworming should probably be accompanied by oral doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time. > > Whew. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Marlene Snowman > Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 > year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms > showed. I didn?t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should > also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should > I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going > to the winstrol at a later date? > > Any advice is appreciated.... > > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi JoAnne > > If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might > transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake. > > My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of > Doxycycline. I don?t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would > be 25 mg daily. I don?t think you need to start right away ? give him some > time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc. > > You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to > prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of > Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I > recommend, and had a very good response from, is: > > Winstrol ? 1 mg twice a day > > Doxycycline ? 1/5 to ? tablet (100 mg) twice a day > > Prednisolone ? ? 5 mg tablet, twice a day > > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of JoAnne Kraun > Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM > To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin > > I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online. He was born on > March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him. He was covered in > fleas so I took him straight to the vet. They said he also had tapeworms. > He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of > vaccines. His weight was 2.1 lbs. They tested him for FIV and FeLV. About > 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive > for FeLV, a faint positive. I have been doing a lot of research and I have > been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting > and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a > faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now. He > eats a lot. I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and > Wellness Core canned food. He seems to be gaining weight. He looks good and > he is a very active and vocal kitten. He is very affectionate and loves my > Cavalier Spaniel, wh o he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at night. > > Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online > indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before > he starts to get sick. I have never had a cat with this disease. > Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to > clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky. > > I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, > before he starts to get sick. Regardless of how long I have him, he will be > loved and cared for. He is already very spoiled. I just can't even picture > this little guy being sick. He is such a good little cat. I call him Q. > > I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago. I > haven't had a kitten for 17 years. I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult > cat may be too stressed around my big dogs. The Cavalier is fine, but I also > have 2 Akitas. My other cat was fine with the Akitas. She was not afraid of > them at all. Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them > give him kisses. I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around > because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play > with Q. The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily. Q seems > to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he > is around us. > > What can I expect? Will he start getting sick in a few months? Do they just > quit eating or what happens? I would like to think that Q will be one of > the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be > realistic. I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have > with us. > > > > JoAnne > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > _______________________________________________ > Felvtalk mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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