I was confused about that because the "re" line said FeLV.

It doesn’t matter though. I have used the medication combo on a cat from a 
feral colony where FIV ran rampant and killed most of the cats. When I took 
mine in, she was very very sick as well. She pulled through on the med 
combination.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria
Sent: October-17-18 10:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent

Amani-
FYI
Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.😁❤️
Gloria


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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sandy
> 
> I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this 
> chatline.
> 
> I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum:
> 
> I would like to share what I think is very important information with others 
> who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia.
> 
> 
> "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by 
> other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a 
> few times today in response to a few of the posts.
> 
> I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died 
> from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When 
> the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with 
> leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and 
> I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to 
> any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in 
> the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. 
> 
> This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we 
> were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After 
> being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb 
> very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't 
> believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods 
> in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, 
> gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our 
> unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting 
> better after only a few days on the medication. After about a year, I called 
> back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us 
> there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my 
> surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" 
> and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible 
> liver damage associated wit
> h it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was 
> dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a 
> potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on 
> a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down 
> to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored 
> our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if 
> I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with 
> a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the 
> Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up.
> 
> The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him 
> to eat when he was so very sick.
> 
> I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and 
> when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day 
> for a maintenance dose. I would pair it with prednisone (5 mg) and 
> Doxycycline (50 mg) as well.
> 
> I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a 
> science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory 
> medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using 
> this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other 
> situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that 
> it has come through more often than not.
> 
> I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and 
> medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in 
> circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other 
> options and their kitten or cat will die.
> 
> I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of 
> veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the 
> association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific 
> community as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising 
> drug. This saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean 
> really - does it make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY cause liver 
> disease, when your animal is dying???? Wouldn't you give that option in those 
> circumstances, and let the pet owner understand the risks??? Personally, I 
> think that the risk of permanent liver damage is not a significant risk. The 
> information I have been able to find - buried so very deeply as to be almost 
> unable to be found on the Internet - points to any change in the liver 
> enzymes as being transitory and not representing any lasting liver damage. 
> That was certainly our experience. Because Zander's condition was so dire, 
> even when his liver enzymes
>  started to go up, I decided to keep him on the Winstrol because I could see 
> that his bone marrow had turned back on again and he was producing red cells 
> ( with his reticulocyte level starting to go up from basically a zero level). 
> He was eating and looking better, so I grit my teeth and proceeded with the 
> Winstrol. I suspect that many vets might have abandoned ship at that point, 
> and pulled the Winstrol before it had had an opportunity to really have the 
> desired effect, but my vet was at least good enough to recognize that if this 
> treatment didn't work, my cat was out of luck, and she allowed me to continue 
> on with the Winstrol since Zander was doing better in so many other ways.
> 
> This was also our experience when I used Winstrol in another very elderly cat 
> who had a large and aggressive sarcoma in her sinus cavity, and again who was 
> not expected to live very long. She lived another 3 years after the diagnosis 
> (she was around 19 when she passed away), and I believe that the Winstrol 
> helped immensely in getting her to keep eating, and to keep the swelling 
> under control. With her, we definitely found that her liver enzymes spiked 
> dramatically with the use of the Winstrol, but settled down immediately with 
> a brief discontinuance of the drug.
> 
> Zander died at age 7 from cardiomyopathy - nothing to do with his liver. I 
> tortured myself with thoughts that maybe the Winstrol had caused the 
> cardiomyopathy, and for all I know, it did. However, again, I did a fair 
> amount of research and initially, I found references to a link between 
> Winstrol and cardiac damage, but the link was pretty tenuous at best, and 
> seemed to be suspected in athletes who had taken Winstrol at 100 X the 
> recommended dosages for years and years. My guilt has never gone away because 
> of course, you never know, but what I do know is that I would have lost him 
> when he was only a year old. If the Winstrol managed to give me 6 more very 
> good years with my cat, who played and was exceptionally affectionate and 
> showed an extreme happiness with his life, then I would have to say I have no 
> hesitation in doing it again.
> 
> What I find truly bizarre is that given the death sentence that this disease 
> represents to cats, it should be very simple indeed to (a) have vets try the 
> Winstrol and see what their experience is with it (with the proviso that they 
> shouldn't pull a cat off the Winstrol just because the liver enzymes start to 
> go up) and (b) why haven't there been some decent clinical trials with this 
> stuff? The cats are zero given probability of surviving this disease. Even if 
> Winstrol only works sometimes, that is better than the odds we are given for 
> these cats at the moment."
> 
> 
> 
> Sandy - let me also point out that with further experience, I am now very 
> firmly of the view that it was the combination of Doxycycline, Winstrol 
> (stanozalol) and prednisone that was effective. Doxycycline is an antibiotic 
> which has interesting and effective properties against other viruses and 
> parasites as well. It is my hypothesis that the Doxycycline prevents the FeLV 
> virus from properly replicating (as it has been scientifically established to 
> interfere with cell wall synthesis in some other viruses), and 
> simultaneously, the WInstrol works on the bone marrow to get it to turn back 
> on and start producing the progenitor cells (immatures) of the red cell, 
> white cell and platelet lines. Winstrol is used in humans for severe and 
> intractable hereditary anemia, and of course, athletes use it to build up 
> muscle and heal injured tissues.
> 
> You will need the compounding pharmacy to get the Winstrol, and you will need 
> a vet who is onside. Some people on this forum have had good success with 
> this combination of medication.
> 
> Amani


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