I was confused about that because the "re" line said FeLV. It doesn’t matter though. I have used the medication combo on a cat from a feral colony where FIV ran rampant and killed most of the cats. When I took mine in, she was very very sick as well. She pulled through on the med combination.
Amani -----Original Message----- From: Felvtalk [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gloria Sent: October-17-18 10:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felv positive support urgent Amani- FYI Sandy said FIV, not FeLV-not sure if it makes any difference, tho’.😁❤️ Gloria -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Amani Oakley <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Sandy > > I will step in here, and repeat what I have told so many others on this > chatline. > > I am cutting and pasting from one of my first ever posts on this forum: > > I would like to share what I think is very important information with others > who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia. > > > "I am new to this forum so I don't know if my post (below) can be seen by > other members of the discussion forum. If so, I apologize for reposting it a > few times today in response to a few of the posts. > > I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died > from something else that I don't believe was related to the leukemia. When > the vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with > leukemia (and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and > I had given him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to > any great degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in > the cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat. > > This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we > were performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After > being put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb > very quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't > believe the lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods > in about six months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, > gums and pads to check the status of his profound anemia, and to our > unbelievable joy, he began to get pink and his lab results just kept getting > better after only a few days on the medication. After about a year, I called > back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us > there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my > surprise - and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" > and that Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible > liver damage associated wit > h it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My cat was > dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even with a > potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our experience, on > a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would drop back down > to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. We monitored > our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial crisis, and if > I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC came back with > a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back on the > Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up. > > The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him > to eat when he was so very sick. > > I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and > when he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day > for a maintenance dose. I would pair it with prednisone (5 mg) and > Doxycycline (50 mg) as well. > > I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a > science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory > medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using > this knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other > situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that > it has come through more often than not. > > I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and > medical community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in > circumstances where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other > options and their kitten or cat will die. > > I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of > veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the > association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific > community as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising > drug. This saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean > really - does it make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY cause liver > disease, when your animal is dying???? Wouldn't you give that option in those > circumstances, and let the pet owner understand the risks??? Personally, I > think that the risk of permanent liver damage is not a significant risk. The > information I have been able to find - buried so very deeply as to be almost > unable to be found on the Internet - points to any change in the liver > enzymes as being transitory and not representing any lasting liver damage. > That was certainly our experience. Because Zander's condition was so dire, > even when his liver enzymes > started to go up, I decided to keep him on the Winstrol because I could see > that his bone marrow had turned back on again and he was producing red cells > ( with his reticulocyte level starting to go up from basically a zero level). > He was eating and looking better, so I grit my teeth and proceeded with the > Winstrol. I suspect that many vets might have abandoned ship at that point, > and pulled the Winstrol before it had had an opportunity to really have the > desired effect, but my vet was at least good enough to recognize that if this > treatment didn't work, my cat was out of luck, and she allowed me to continue > on with the Winstrol since Zander was doing better in so many other ways. > > This was also our experience when I used Winstrol in another very elderly cat > who had a large and aggressive sarcoma in her sinus cavity, and again who was > not expected to live very long. She lived another 3 years after the diagnosis > (she was around 19 when she passed away), and I believe that the Winstrol > helped immensely in getting her to keep eating, and to keep the swelling > under control. With her, we definitely found that her liver enzymes spiked > dramatically with the use of the Winstrol, but settled down immediately with > a brief discontinuance of the drug. > > Zander died at age 7 from cardiomyopathy - nothing to do with his liver. I > tortured myself with thoughts that maybe the Winstrol had caused the > cardiomyopathy, and for all I know, it did. However, again, I did a fair > amount of research and initially, I found references to a link between > Winstrol and cardiac damage, but the link was pretty tenuous at best, and > seemed to be suspected in athletes who had taken Winstrol at 100 X the > recommended dosages for years and years. My guilt has never gone away because > of course, you never know, but what I do know is that I would have lost him > when he was only a year old. If the Winstrol managed to give me 6 more very > good years with my cat, who played and was exceptionally affectionate and > showed an extreme happiness with his life, then I would have to say I have no > hesitation in doing it again. > > What I find truly bizarre is that given the death sentence that this disease > represents to cats, it should be very simple indeed to (a) have vets try the > Winstrol and see what their experience is with it (with the proviso that they > shouldn't pull a cat off the Winstrol just because the liver enzymes start to > go up) and (b) why haven't there been some decent clinical trials with this > stuff? The cats are zero given probability of surviving this disease. Even if > Winstrol only works sometimes, that is better than the odds we are given for > these cats at the moment." > > > > Sandy - let me also point out that with further experience, I am now very > firmly of the view that it was the combination of Doxycycline, Winstrol > (stanozalol) and prednisone that was effective. Doxycycline is an antibiotic > which has interesting and effective properties against other viruses and > parasites as well. It is my hypothesis that the Doxycycline prevents the FeLV > virus from properly replicating (as it has been scientifically established to > interfere with cell wall synthesis in some other viruses), and > simultaneously, the WInstrol works on the bone marrow to get it to turn back > on and start producing the progenitor cells (immatures) of the red cell, > white cell and platelet lines. Winstrol is used in humans for severe and > intractable hereditary anemia, and of course, athletes use it to build up > muscle and heal injured tissues. > > You will need the compounding pharmacy to get the Winstrol, and you will need > a vet who is onside. Some people on this forum have had good success with > this combination of medication. > > Amani _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _______________________________________________ Felvtalk mailing list [email protected] http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
