On 10 Mar 2003 at 15:32, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:

> I wrote, in part:
> 
> > > necessary to use this.
> > > From the text dialog box (though not the text espression dialog box), if one
> > > selects the menu "text", the bottom item has been, at least since FIN2k,
> > > "insert symbol".  Selecting this menu item provides a much easier to read
> > > character map than the Windows utility.
> 
> to which David responded
> 
> > But that dialog is not very sensibly organized, unlike the Windows
> > character map, and gives you no features that any version of charmap
> > has had, except that it displays at a legible size.
> 
> and perhaps because I have an earlier version of Character map utility than David
> does (as I am using WIN 98 SE), but I find that the characters in the "insert
> symbols" dialog is organized in exactly the same way that the Windows Character map
> is:  in character order, starting with ALT-0000, through ALT-0255.  The differences
> between the two versions seem to number two: the Coda implementation displays all
> character spaces (the non-printing ones, like ALT-0019 are represented by an open box
> in the space), and instead of the larger number favored by Microsoft (on the order of
> 35, or so), Coda's uses only eleven characters per row.
> 
> Could it be, if the order of character display is poorly organized that Coda merely
> followed (or was forced to follow) Microsoft's?

But charmap *is* more intelligently organized, as the length of the 
rows causes characters to be grouped in ways that puts similar 
characters above and below each other in certain parts of the 
display. 

This is inherent in the ANSI character order, not something that 
Microsoft does extra in the old charmap utility. All you have to do 
is have the correct number of rows horizontally and it will 
automatically group in this fashion.

Interestingly, the newer version has shorter rows and *doesn't* group 
in this fashion, possibly because the Unicode extensions don't all 
have this same orderly grouping, since the number of unique 
characters is not the same in all the other character sets.

-- 
David W. Fenton                        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
David Fenton Associates                http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc

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