On 25 May 2004 at 12:45, Darcy James Argue wrote:

> On 25 May 2004, at 07:48 AM, Phil Daley wrote:
> 
> > At 5/24/2004 02:46 PM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
> >
> > >Oo, I'll take this one! If I can SEE a tool, and be able to click
> > >on it easily, while seeing the score underneath it, this saves
> > >mondo clicking to un-shade and re-shade the tool palette. If it
> > >takes one click to roll down the window shade, then I have to move
> > >the mouse to the tool, then move the mouse to re-shade again,
> > >that's three clicks and some index movement that I would be able to
> > >replace with one click and little or no mouse movement.
> >
> > Nope.  No clicks involved with "Windows" Enhanced Secondary Windows
> > (roll ups or ESWs).
> >
> > Just move the mouse over them and they pop open, move the mouse away
> > and they roll up.
> 
> Regardless, I would still have to move the mouse to the top of the
> window to get it to expand, right?  And if I accidentally mouse off of
> the window, it collapses immediately, right?  I don't see how that's
> better than an automatically fading transparent palette, where I can
> always (faintly) see the control I want to adjust and move directly to
> that part of the palette.  And I think a gradual fade-away after I
> move the mouse back is more elegant and intuitive than an abrupt
> window collapse.

Well, you're assuming that the roll-up is immediate and happens as 
soon as the mouse is off the window. If the transparency can be 
programmed to fade, the roll-up can be programmed to be delayed until 
a certain time after the mouse is off the window.

I don't know exactly how those are implemented, but it's always 
possible.

I do have a question: is the gradual fade out something that's 
provided by OS X's transparency support? I note that Windows does not 
provide roll-up windows natively, so we're not really comparing the 
same kind of thing.

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David W. Fenton                        http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
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