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owainsutton.co.uk writes:

>And Schoenberg *didn't* transform the Wagnerian influence out of 
>recognition?

If you follow his development you can see the transformation.  If you
start with a serial work, it is easy to miss the connection.  Whether he
was _stylistically_ influenced by Wagner is totally irrelevant to my
argument, which is that he thought it was necessary to invent a new
harmonic system because Wagner had "used up" the old one, whereas other
composers showed that there were lots of new possibilities in music that
required somewhat less radical departures from traditional harmony.  S.
wanted a music to maintain German cultural supremacy, and I suspect he
would have been unenthusiastic about these other ways forward.

-- 
Ken Moore
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