On 12 Jul 2005 at 10:44, dhbailey wrote:

> Christopher Smith wrote:
> 
> [snip]> This is a very good point. Dennis has already made generally
> available > for free a whole cartload of his work (musical and verbal)
> while > retaining his copyright, on his various websites. No doubt he
> considers > his writings here to be similar. > > I, on the other hand,
> have freely given away a bunch of my writings in > the public domain,
> which is a different kettle of fish. But just because > <I> don't care
> who re-distributes MY work doesn't mean that I don't > support Dennis'
> point of view. > > Point made, I think.
> 
> I agree, Dennis has a very valid point concerning his copyrighted
> messages but holding forth on this forum does no good.  Getting his
> intellectual property lawyer involved is the only way to resolve this
> issue.
> 
> Those external archives aren't going to listen to any of us, unless we
> back it up with a lawsuit which has monetary and punitive damages
> attached.
> 
> All those archives are going to say, in response to our complaints and
> requests to stop, is "Oh, yeah?  Sez who?  You gonna make me?  Let me
> see you try!"  Just like the schoolyard bullies who thought our lunch
> money was their lunch money, it's only when someone with authority to
> incur penalties gets involved that such actions cease.  In this case
> that would be the courts.

Actually, all the listowner has to do is ban subscriptions under the 
domain of these archiving sites. Problem solved.

> We can discuss it until we're blue in the face, and no matter how
> valid, both legally and morally, Dennis' points, what we feel carries
> no weight with the archive sites.
> 
> We can petition Henry to pursue it through SHSU, and can also petition
> him to find a way for human-only subscription.
> 
> But even that may be impossible in trying to stop things.

These sites only work because they can subscribe to the list. If 
their domains are blocked, the problem is gone, no lawyer required.

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