On 24/11/2007, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Nov 24, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Adam Golding wrote:
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> > thanks for your helpful responses everyone--chris, by "any others
> > you need?"
> > do you mean other combined articulation?  yeah, well on a first
> > glace it
> > doesn't have stacatissimo+accent for instance or any triple
> > articulations
> > such as mezzo-staccato accent.  i know i can add these symbols but
> > now i'm
> > scratching my head as to what will happen to human playback if i
> > start doing
> > that, especially with all the different interpretation styles
> > (playback
> > accuracy is top priority for me here)
>
> You can make an articulation out of a shape, which can contain two or
> more different characters. You can resize the shape, which helps a lot.
>
> Some fonts have some different characters for articulations, like
> three dots (three dots plus a slur is one of the defaults, as I'm
> sure you saw). I use Bill Duncan's Articulations font, which has most
> of what I need. You will probably have to look around a bit. Try some
> of the default fonts included with Finale before you start going too
> far afield, though! Many engravers have gone the whole hog and bought
> Fontographer to make up their own glyphs for things they need. Jef
> chippewa appears to be the reigning king of this. I haven't gone that
> far, though.
>
> Playback is part of the articulation definition, so there is no
> problem with most situations.



hrm perhaps i'm confused, but i was under the impression that human playback
ignores these definitions, and makes its own decisions based on what
articulation it is, and that this functionality would be broken if i
randomly switched to another font...


> About triple articulations; hmm, I'm
> not even sure how Human Playback would play that WITHOUT the
> articulation, so I'm stumped.


hmm?  mezzo-staccato accent is about 75% the length and a bit louder, eh?


Often playback solutions involve
> putting a playback passage into another layer which is hidden, then
> muting the layer that shows. This is too much kludging for me, since
> I rarely need excellent playback. On occasion I actually create a
> dummy staff with things I need when I don't want to clutter up my
> score with playback items. I don't include this staff in my score
> definition, though, or else I delete it before printing.


yeah definitely too much kludging for me as well--basically i need finale to
interpret my notation as well as possible, and then i'll compose complete
piecs jsut with notation, and only at the end export to a sequencer *or*
tweak with midi tool etc. at the end.

TGTools has some additional playback utilities as well.


i'm also of the impression that i can't mix these with human playback


Sometimes what I HAVE done, though, is to turn off the articulation
> playback (say, for an inverted V accent), and make up my own blank
> articulation that ONLY has playback in it. I can assign this wherever
> I need it, even on top of another accent, and it won't show. Human
> playback would ignore any articulation it doesn't recognize (like one
> of your fabricated shapes) so you can get the playback you need with
> invisible articulations or hidden playback layers.


hmm that would be a very useful strategy in the end tweaking stage, i'll
probably try it


Christopher
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