At 12:46 PM -0400 11/5/10, Raymond Horton wrote:

I asked a knowledgeable horn-playing friend about your later question (which
composers started writing for F horn all the time), and he promised me a
copy if an interesting article on Brahms horn writing, so I should have more
to add.  I'll just say that I have been told that, even though Brahms wrote
parts that were playable on natural horn, he probably never heard tham
played on natural horn in his lifetime.  He also wrote a book of etudes for
valved horn!

And we've also had a dissenting opinion a little later in the day.

My take (based on no research whatever!):

The composers who wrote for natural horns were awfully clever in what they could get out of their horn players. Especially Mozart, perhaps because his buddies in Mannheim demonstrated what they could do with their hands, but even in using just the normal open notes Mozart was much more demanding than, say, Beethoven.

And since both composers and players in the 'tween generation when valve horns were beginning to appear were used to thinking that way, I suspect that they BOTH might have thought of the valves as a way to instantly change from a horn in one key to a horn in another without taking the time to change crooks--which the valves actually DO do, if you stop to think about it! Which could explain the reference to the music of--was it Wagner?--where the key of the horn changes continuously through the music. New technology, but an older way of thinking about how the instrument can and should be used.

There is ALWAYS an older generation that fails to see why they should have to learn anything new. And there is ALWAYS a younger generation that accepts the new as a given.

Not Dvorak - he wrote in keys just as Brahms, [Dvorak
6th = Horn 1, 2 (in D, F, E), 3, 4 (in E, Bb, D)]  if more chromatically.

Yes, AND his horn parts are all playable by natural (hand) horns in those keys. Which would cause me to ask about the horn players in Bohemia at that time, and what kind of instruments they were playing.

John


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