You may identify it as Speedy 9-flip bug (as do I!) but there it is, manifesting itself when using Chromatic Transposition. It doesn't manifest itself (in this particular way!) when the part uses normal transposition, so I would say it is indeed a Chromatic Transposition issue. One needs to watch for it when using Chromatic Transposition.
Christopher On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 11:21 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > Since the introduction of Finale 2007, I *never* use the 9 key to enharmonic > flip. I *always* use the +/- keys for notes like Cb. I do not see this as a > bug with Chromatic Transposition per se, but rather with the Speedy 9 key. > In F07 they "fixed" a whole bunch of stuff that wasn't broken, Speedy 9 > being one of them, and I won't touch Speedy 9 since then. > > What I thought you meant was an error where an accidental that should be > there was missing or if an incorrect accidental appeared. This is pitfall > with the "Hide Key Signature" approach that some people used in the old > days. > > On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Christopher Smith < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Here's one. >> >> open a new file using the Setup Wizard. Add Bb clarinet. >> >> Switch to Display in Concert Pitch. >> >> Enter in the staff quarter notes (using Speedy) Eb, Db, Cb (you will have >> to flip this one with the 9 key, which is what causes the problem. If you >> DON'T flip it, the problem does not appear.) then Bb. I use Default >> spelling. My attached document called Test accidentals.mus shows it. >> >> Using the Staff Tool, change the transposition to Chromatic, and then turn >> off Display in Concert Pitch. >> >> Now go into the measure and try to force an accidental. I can get a natural >> on the F (concert Eb), but strangely, as I do so, a natural appears on the C >> as well, even though I didn't touch it yet, and ONLY WHILE THE FRAME IS >> open. When I close the frame the natural on the C disappears, but the >> spacing acts as if there WAS still a natural there. Going in and out of the >> frame causes some cautionaries to appear, then disappear when I exit. >> >> Now no matter what I do, I can't get the C to force appearance of a >> natural. >> >> Apparently, depending on when I flip the B to Cb and what the rhythm in the >> measure is, some note may end up not being able to take an accidental. The >> procedure I described reveals the bug every time, even after a restart. >> >> The way around it is to enter the C as a natural, then hit the - key to >> lower it. This means I don't hear the correct pitch, and every accidental >> costs me an extra keystroke. To re-pitch a note, I have to do same thing; I >> can't just hit the 9 key because that might cause problems. >> >> >> >> I'm checking the Cautionary Accidentals Plugin one right now, but >> apparently they have either corrected the Respell problem or I am not >> invoking it the way I did before. I'll get back to you (or Darcy will. Like >> I said, he does this more than I do, so he should be up on it more.) >> >> Christopher >> >> >> >> On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 10:03 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: >> >>> You'll have to give me chapter and verse (provided the concert key of the >>> piece is C maj) because I don't think you are right. In my experience >>> Chromatic Transposition does not have any bugs that cause required >>> accidentals either to be omitted or incorrect. >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Christopher Smith < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> No, Finale doesn't handle accidentals correctly on parts using Chromatic >>>> Transposition, especially if you have flipped accidentals with the 9 key >> in >>>> Speedy or run the Cautionary Accidentals plugin or try to Respell notes >> on a >>>> chromatically-transposed part. For those three I can give you chapter >> and >>>> verse on how to make those bugs show their ugly faces. Darcy probably >> knows >>>> more, which is why I asked him. >>>> >>>> Christopher >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 7:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Finale correctly handles all accidentals if you use Chromatic >>>> Transposition, >>>>> provided the piece as a whole does not have a key signature. If the >> piece >>>> as >>>>> a whole does have a key signature, you should not be using Chromatic >>>>> Transposition. There is a better way in that case. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Darcy, >>>>>> >>>>>> You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using >>>> Chromatic >>>>>> Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have >>>> misplaced >>>>>> it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus >>>> harass >>>>>> MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it to >>>> the >>>>>> list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I >>>> know >>>>>> you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must >> know >>>> them >>>>>> all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, and have a great coming year! >>>>>> >>>>>> Christopher >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Finale mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Finale mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Finale mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
