True, but I believe there continue to be other issues with speedy-9 as well, unrelated to transposition, so avoiding it is good policy. And if you avoid it, then (along with other issues) you want have any problems with C.T. Right?
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 10:56 PM, Christopher Smith < christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote: > You may identify it as Speedy 9-flip bug (as do I!) but there it is, > manifesting itself when using Chromatic Transposition. It doesn't manifest > itself (in this particular way!) when the part uses normal transposition, so > I would say it is indeed a Chromatic Transposition issue. One needs to watch > for it when using Chromatic Transposition. > > Christopher > > > On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 11:21 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > > > Since the introduction of Finale 2007, I *never* use the 9 key to > enharmonic > > flip. I *always* use the +/- keys for notes like Cb. I do not see this as > a > > bug with Chromatic Transposition per se, but rather with the Speedy 9 > key. > > In F07 they "fixed" a whole bunch of stuff that wasn't broken, Speedy 9 > > being one of them, and I won't touch Speedy 9 since then. > > > > What I thought you meant was an error where an accidental that should be > > there was missing or if an incorrect accidental appeared. This is pitfall > > with the "Hide Key Signature" approach that some people used in the old > > days. > > > > On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Christopher Smith < > > christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote: > > > >> Here's one. > >> > >> open a new file using the Setup Wizard. Add Bb clarinet. > >> > >> Switch to Display in Concert Pitch. > >> > >> Enter in the staff quarter notes (using Speedy) Eb, Db, Cb (you will > have > >> to flip this one with the 9 key, which is what causes the problem. If > you > >> DON'T flip it, the problem does not appear.) then Bb. I use Default > >> spelling. My attached document called Test accidentals.mus shows it. > >> > >> Using the Staff Tool, change the transposition to Chromatic, and then > turn > >> off Display in Concert Pitch. > >> > >> Now go into the measure and try to force an accidental. I can get a > natural > >> on the F (concert Eb), but strangely, as I do so, a natural appears on > the C > >> as well, even though I didn't touch it yet, and ONLY WHILE THE FRAME IS > >> open. When I close the frame the natural on the C disappears, but the > >> spacing acts as if there WAS still a natural there. Going in and out of > the > >> frame causes some cautionaries to appear, then disappear when I exit. > >> > >> Now no matter what I do, I can't get the C to force appearance of a > >> natural. > >> > >> Apparently, depending on when I flip the B to Cb and what the rhythm in > the > >> measure is, some note may end up not being able to take an accidental. > The > >> procedure I described reveals the bug every time, even after a restart. > >> > >> The way around it is to enter the C as a natural, then hit the - key to > >> lower it. This means I don't hear the correct pitch, and every > accidental > >> costs me an extra keystroke. To re-pitch a note, I have to do same > thing; I > >> can't just hit the 9 key because that might cause problems. > >> > >> > >> > >> I'm checking the Cautionary Accidentals Plugin one right now, but > >> apparently they have either corrected the Respell problem or I am not > >> invoking it the way I did before. I'll get back to you (or Darcy will. > Like > >> I said, he does this more than I do, so he should be up on it more.) > >> > >> Christopher > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 10:03 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >> > >>> You'll have to give me chapter and verse (provided the concert key of > the > >>> piece is C maj) because I don't think you are right. In my experience > >>> Chromatic Transposition does not have any bugs that cause required > >>> accidentals either to be omitted or incorrect. > >>> > >>> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Christopher Smith < > >>> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote: > >>> > >>>> No, Finale doesn't handle accidentals correctly on parts using > Chromatic > >>>> Transposition, especially if you have flipped accidentals with the 9 > key > >> in > >>>> Speedy or run the Cautionary Accidentals plugin or try to Respell > notes > >> on a > >>>> chromatically-transposed part. For those three I can give you chapter > >> and > >>>> verse on how to make those bugs show their ugly faces. Darcy probably > >> knows > >>>> more, which is why I asked him. > >>>> > >>>> Christopher > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Sat Jan 1, at SaturdayJan 1 7:55 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Finale correctly handles all accidentals if you use Chromatic > >>>> Transposition, > >>>>> provided the piece as a whole does not have a key signature. If the > >> piece > >>>> as > >>>>> a whole does have a key signature, you should not be using Chromatic > >>>>> Transposition. There is a better way in that case. > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Christopher Smith < > >>>>> christopher.sm...@videotron.ca> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Darcy, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You sent me a summary of the issues with accidentals when using > >>>> Chromatic > >>>>>> Transposition once a while ago, and I regret to say that I have > >>>> misplaced > >>>>>> it. For me (and so that I can check if it is still the case and thus > >>>> harass > >>>>>> MakeMusic about it) could you summarise again? Go ahead and send it > to > >>>> the > >>>>>> list, because everyone should know this. I found a few issues, but I > >>>> know > >>>>>> you do most of your own pieces without key signatures, so you must > >> know > >>>> them > >>>>>> all. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, and have a great coming year! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Christopher > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Finale mailing list > >>>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Finale mailing list > >>> Finale@shsu.edu > >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Finale mailing list > >> Finale@shsu.edu > >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > Finale@shsu.edu > > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
