At 10:33 AM +0100 2/8/11, Florence + Michael wrote:
I have the Henle Urtext edition of that Nocturne, which should reproduce Chopin's notation: as far as I can see it is the same as in that example. We're discussing dotted notes that share noteheads: you can see some in measures 33 - 35.

Small point, perhaps, but an "urtext" is an attempt to reproduce accurately a composer's "original intention" minus subsequent layers of editorial decisions. But whether it attempts to reproduce the original notation is not at all clear. A facsimile, on the other hand, IS the original notation, but still needs to be interpreted. Notation is not and never has been a matter of "this shall ye do and none other!" It has always been a combination of tradition, innovation, and attempted communication between composer and performer. The marks on the paper are no more the music than a blueprint is a building.

As just one pretty obvious example, the BG editors attempted to reproduce Bach's music exactly, including keeping the original clefs that he used. But they foundered on the fact that the "standard" pitch and the organ pitch in the various places where Bach worked was different, and sometimes the organ part was notated in a different key from the other parts. They had to make decisions, but in some cases they made the wrong decisions.

The NBA edition, on the other hand, made an attempt to resolve some of the questions raised by the BG edition, but used modern clefs to do so, not the clefs Bach used. Therefore, not an exact copy.

Both are "urtext," for their own time, place, and practices.

I'm not a pianist so I can't speak to Chopin's notation, but I'm very aware that composers often used notation that was in effect a shorthand and in some cases very idiosyncratic, so even first editions (which may or may not have been approved by the composer--don't assume that they were!!)--have been edited by SOMEONE and perhaps reflect editorial practice of the time rather than the composer's notation. And when we get into manuscripts of unpublished works--well, just ask Kim Patrick about some of the things he's had to unravel in his transcriptions of 18th century music!!

Just one of the little frustrations musicologists have to deal with on a daily basis. Silly ol' composers!

John


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