BTW, back on topic. I occasionally run into a pops chart using the old bass
clef notation convention, so clarifying is probably still a good idea.
(Bass clef of any kind is rare in pops music.) But depending on how low the
notes are on the clef, horn players have a default setting for one or the
other that is right 90% of the time.

On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Robert Patterson <
[email protected]> wrote:

> I see as much pops rep as any pro horn player, and almost all of it has
> key sigs, so you are certainly going with the flow. Nevertheless I greatly
> appreciate when the parts don't. Key sigs are not a problem except when the
> (often just momentary) key of the piece is different than the key
> signature. That's when they turn into a pain. That's when I wish users of
> computers would follow the old practice of adding courtesy accis when notes
> are chromatic to the momentary key. For example, if the piece is in F but
> has momentarily modulated to C, any B-flats should have courtesy accis,
> even though they are in the key sig. Or if the momentary key is Ab, then
> D-natural should have a courtesy acci.
>
> The other thing that drives me crazy in pops charts is gross mis-spellings
> of notes. These are the result of working at lightspeed with Fin/Sib, etc.,
> and not always the result of a flatly illiterate arranger. At least I'd
> like to think so. (I can't tell you how many times I've seen F# in the key
> of G spelled as G-flat!) Ironically, this is a hazard mainly of providing
> parts with no key sig, so pops arrangers just can't win. :-P
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Christopher Smith <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> They're professionals, they do what they have to to get the right note
>> out. I can deal with the pencil marks, but I am bemused that they find them
>> necessary. The freelancers have no problems; it's a couple of older tenured
>> guys who play 95% pre-20th century repertoire that complain, and they
>> mostly sub out for the pops concerts that I arrange for.
>>
>> I pick my battles, as I am not TRYING to put up barriers, but I'm not
>> pandering either. You know what a pain it can be to deal with only 4
>> instruments in a score that don't use key signatures while everyone else
>> does. I can't copy music in or out of those staves, I have to set key
>> signatures separately (that's one operation for the entire score, then one
>> more operation for EACH non-key staff), and I have check each and every
>> accidental because of the buggy way Finale deals with non-key-signature
>> staves. For a project due last week, I had a week to do three pieces for
>> full pops orchestra with 6 singers and rhythm section, of which one was an
>> 500 measure, 18-tune medley with modulations. If I had to work with all the
>> horns staves as non-key-signature, it would have prevented me from meeting
>> the deadline, most likely.
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>>
>> On Sat Jun 9, at SaturdayJun 9 6:16 PM, Robert Patterson wrote:
>>
>> > About the key sigs, I guess I am confused. Are you saying you would
>> rather
>> > them play the wrong notes than pencil in the accis? Because that's your
>> > choice given one rehearsal (which is how many most of my gigs with key
>> sigs
>> > have).
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Christopher Smith <
>> > [email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Yes, because horn players still regularly play the repertoire where
>> that
>> >> terrible convention was used, and might assume that the composer meant
>> it
>> >> that way.
>> >>
>> >> Heck, I get complaints from horn players who play mostly Classical
>> >> repertoire because I write with key signatures! Sheesh, get with it,
>> guys,
>> >> I say to them. I get the parts back with EVERY alteration pencilled in.
>> >>
>> >> Christopher
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat Jun 9, at SaturdayJun 9 4:34 PM, Paul Hayden wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> How many years has it been since any composer wrote a horn part in the
>> >> bass clef intending it to sound up a fourth? I still write a note
>> about how
>> >> "the horn part sounds down a fifth regardless of clef". But do you
>> think
>> >> this is _really_ necessary in 2012?
>> >>>
>> >>> Paul Hayden
>> >>>
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