HI Robert,

I'm not talking about the jazz world, of course. I'm talking about the NYC new 
music world.

And I'm also not talking about fluency or facility — of course they all read 
tenor clef with facility — but about preference. Non-violists are always 
telling me how much they hate C-clefs.

Cheers,

- DJA
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On Apr 13, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Robert Patterson <[email protected]> 
wrote:

> Wow, Darcy.
> 
> Your experience is utterly different than mine. My experience is that
> bassoonists, cellists, even bassists, and *especially* trombonists of all
> ages read tenor clef with complete facility and without the first hint of
> complaint. Trombonists also read alto clef. Could this be the difference
> between jazz band and orchestral worlds, I wonder.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Darcy James Argue <[email protected]>wrote:
> 
>> My experience is that bassoonists, trombonists, cellists, and pretty much
>> all non-violists under the age of 40 detest C clefs. In  new music, at
>> least, amongst younger players there is a very strong preference for ledger
>> lines above the staff (up to 4) or, for extended extreme high-register
>> passages, treble clef.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> - DJA
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>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Raymond Horton <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Some bass players detest tenor clef.  I have seen reviews in a bass
>>> journal that said something like 'the much-feared tenor clef'
>>> appearing in a piece that was being reviewed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Raymond Horton
>>> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
>>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
>>> Composer, Arranger
>>> VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Chuck Israels <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>> I see treble clef more often than tenor clef for high notes in bass
>> parts. At least that has been my experience in recent years.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:46 AM, Jan Angermüller <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Darcy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> use a mid-measure clef and then assign
>>>>> a playback expression to the first note in the new clef
>>>>> that sets transposition to whatever you need (0, -12, 12).
>>>>> Repeat the same when switching back to bass clef.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But do you really need to change the transposition ?
>>>>> In standard contrabass notation the treble clef
>>>>> is also read as 8vb, just like the bass clef.
>>>>> So if you assign a standard bass clef (without 8vb)
>>>>> and a standard treble clef (without 8vb) and set the
>>>>> transposition settings in score manager to "Down octave".
>>>>> Everything should be clear for the bass player and
>>>>> you don't need any manual transposition changes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using an 8vb bass clef and a treble clef without 8vb,
>>>>> but that playsback as 8vb, seems inconsistent to me
>>>>> and also not clear for the bass player.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And last but not least, treble clefs rarely appear in
>>>>> contrabass notation. Usually the tenor clef is used
>>>>> for high notes. Only the highest flageoletts or
>>>>> Bottesini style arpeggios are usually written in treble clef.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jan
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 13.04.2014 08:08, schrieb Darcy James Argue:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm working with a score in concert pitch, where the contrabasses are
>> notated with the 8vb bass clef in the score, but a regular bass clef (as
>> usual) in the part. This is all fine and well and easy to set up in the
>> Score Manger (with a transposition and Set To Clef).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The problem arises when you need to change clefs to an 8vb treble
>> clef in the score, showing as a regular treble clef in the part, and this
>> clef change occurs mid-measure. In Finale 2011 in older, you could simply
>> apply a staff style with the same transposition but Set To Clef assigned to
>> treble clef -- but Fin2012 and 2014 won't allow you to apply a transposing
>> staff style to a partial measure.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Given that, what is the best workaround? There is one I can think of
>> involving clefs as expressions but I'd prefer to avoid going down that
>> rabbit hole if I can avoid it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - DJA
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