HI Robert, I'm not talking about the jazz world, of course. I'm talking about the NYC new music world.
And I'm also not talking about fluency or facility — of course they all read tenor clef with facility — but about preference. Non-violists are always telling me how much they hate C-clefs. Cheers, - DJA ----- WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Apr 13, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Robert Patterson <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow, Darcy. > > Your experience is utterly different than mine. My experience is that > bassoonists, cellists, even bassists, and *especially* trombonists of all > ages read tenor clef with complete facility and without the first hint of > complaint. Trombonists also read alto clef. Could this be the difference > between jazz band and orchestral worlds, I wonder. > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Darcy James Argue <[email protected]>wrote: > >> My experience is that bassoonists, trombonists, cellists, and pretty much >> all non-violists under the age of 40 detest C clefs. In new music, at >> least, amongst younger players there is a very strong preference for ledger >> lines above the staff (up to 4) or, for extended extreme high-register >> passages, treble clef. >> >> Cheers, >> >> - DJA >> ----- >> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >> >> On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Raymond Horton <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Some bass players detest tenor clef. I have seen reviews in a bass >>> journal that said something like 'the much-feared tenor clef' >>> appearing in a piece that was being reviewed. >>> >>> >>> Raymond Horton >>> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra >>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC >>> Composer, Arranger >>> VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Chuck Israels <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>> I see treble clef more often than tenor clef for high notes in bass >> parts. At least that has been my experience in recent years. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:46 AM, Jan Angermüller <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Darcy, >>>>> >>>>> use a mid-measure clef and then assign >>>>> a playback expression to the first note in the new clef >>>>> that sets transposition to whatever you need (0, -12, 12). >>>>> Repeat the same when switching back to bass clef. >>>>> >>>>> But do you really need to change the transposition ? >>>>> In standard contrabass notation the treble clef >>>>> is also read as 8vb, just like the bass clef. >>>>> So if you assign a standard bass clef (without 8vb) >>>>> and a standard treble clef (without 8vb) and set the >>>>> transposition settings in score manager to "Down octave". >>>>> Everything should be clear for the bass player and >>>>> you don't need any manual transposition changes. >>>>> >>>>> Using an 8vb bass clef and a treble clef without 8vb, >>>>> but that playsback as 8vb, seems inconsistent to me >>>>> and also not clear for the bass player. >>>>> >>>>> And last but not least, treble clefs rarely appear in >>>>> contrabass notation. Usually the tenor clef is used >>>>> for high notes. Only the highest flageoletts or >>>>> Bottesini style arpeggios are usually written in treble clef. >>>>> >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> Jan >>>>> >>>>> Am 13.04.2014 08:08, schrieb Darcy James Argue: >>>>>> Hello, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm working with a score in concert pitch, where the contrabasses are >> notated with the 8vb bass clef in the score, but a regular bass clef (as >> usual) in the part. This is all fine and well and easy to set up in the >> Score Manger (with a transposition and Set To Clef). >>>>>> >>>>>> The problem arises when you need to change clefs to an 8vb treble >> clef in the score, showing as a regular treble clef in the part, and this >> clef change occurs mid-measure. In Finale 2011 in older, you could simply >> apply a staff style with the same transposition but Set To Clef assigned to >> treble clef -- but Fin2012 and 2014 won't allow you to apply a transposing >> staff style to a partial measure. >>>>>> >>>>>> Given that, what is the best workaround? There is one I can think of >> involving clefs as expressions but I'd prefer to avoid going down that >> rabbit hole if I can avoid it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> - DJA >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Finale mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Finale mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Finale mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Finale mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> [email protected] >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Finale mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> [email protected] >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: [email protected]
