I learned Tenor Clef as a young cellist (easy for cellists - read one string over for the lower pitches in Tenor Clef - what looks like open D string is an open A string), and I now read it as if it were a Tenor Sax part, something I am used to seeing in my own scores (I work in transposed scores rather than concert pitch scores). So it doesn't take much effort for me to understand it, but I am still more comfortable in Treble Clef. I just read it more - and so it's more transparent. I still struggle with viola parts!
Chuck On Apr 13, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Darcy James Argue <[email protected]> wrote: > HI Robert, > > I'm not talking about the jazz world, of course. I'm talking about the NYC > new music world. > > And I'm also not talking about fluency or facility — of course they all read > tenor clef with facility — but about preference. Non-violists are always > telling me how much they hate C-clefs. > > Cheers, > > - DJA > ----- > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > On Apr 13, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Robert Patterson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Wow, Darcy. >> >> Your experience is utterly different than mine. My experience is that >> bassoonists, cellists, even bassists, and *especially* trombonists of all >> ages read tenor clef with complete facility and without the first hint of >> complaint. Trombonists also read alto clef. Could this be the difference >> between jazz band and orchestral worlds, I wonder. >> >> >> >> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Darcy James Argue <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> My experience is that bassoonists, trombonists, cellists, and pretty much >>> all non-violists under the age of 40 detest C clefs. In new music, at >>> least, amongst younger players there is a very strong preference for ledger >>> lines above the staff (up to 4) or, for extended extreme high-register >>> passages, treble clef. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> - DJA >>> ----- >>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >>> >>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Raymond Horton <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Some bass players detest tenor clef. I have seen reviews in a bass >>>> journal that said something like 'the much-feared tenor clef' >>>> appearing in a piece that was being reviewed. >>>> >>>> >>>> Raymond Horton >>>> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra >>>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC >>>> Composer, Arranger >>>> VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Chuck Israels <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>> I see treble clef more often than tenor clef for high notes in bass >>> parts. At least that has been my experience in recent years. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:46 AM, Jan Angermüller <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Darcy, >>>>>> >>>>>> use a mid-measure clef and then assign >>>>>> a playback expression to the first note in the new clef >>>>>> that sets transposition to whatever you need (0, -12, 12). >>>>>> Repeat the same when switching back to bass clef. >>>>>> >>>>>> But do you really need to change the transposition ? >>>>>> In standard contrabass notation the treble clef >>>>>> is also read as 8vb, just like the bass clef. >>>>>> So if you assign a standard bass clef (without 8vb) >>>>>> and a standard treble clef (without 8vb) and set the >>>>>> transposition settings in score manager to "Down octave". >>>>>> Everything should be clear for the bass player and >>>>>> you don't need any manual transposition changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Using an 8vb bass clef and a treble clef without 8vb, >>>>>> but that playsback as 8vb, seems inconsistent to me >>>>>> and also not clear for the bass player. >>>>>> >>>>>> And last but not least, treble clefs rarely appear in >>>>>> contrabass notation. Usually the tenor clef is used >>>>>> for high notes. Only the highest flageoletts or >>>>>> Bottesini style arpeggios are usually written in treble clef. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jan >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 13.04.2014 08:08, schrieb Darcy James Argue: >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm working with a score in concert pitch, where the contrabasses are >>> notated with the 8vb bass clef in the score, but a regular bass clef (as >>> usual) in the part. This is all fine and well and easy to set up in the >>> Score Manger (with a transposition and Set To Clef). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The problem arises when you need to change clefs to an 8vb treble >>> clef in the score, showing as a regular treble clef in the part, and this >>> clef change occurs mid-measure. In Finale 2011 in older, you could simply >>> apply a staff style with the same transposition but Set To Clef assigned to >>> treble clef -- but Fin2012 and 2014 won't allow you to apply a transposing >>> staff style to a partial measure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Given that, what is the best workaround? There is one I can think of >>> involving clefs as expressions but I'd prefer to avoid going down that >>> rabbit hole if I can avoid it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - DJA >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Finale mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Finale mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Finale mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Finale mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Finale mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >>> >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Finale mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: >> [email protected] >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > [email protected] > Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 <www.chuckisraelsjazz.com> _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: [email protected]
