As a former trombone player, I learned alto and tenor clefs when I was in high 
school. Trying to gain some facility with soprano clef now. Never did see a 
C-clef in a jazz chart. I have a card from a drummer that actually has a C-clef 
on it--very gutsy.

ajr
---- Robert Patterson <[email protected]> wrote: 
> Wow, Darcy.
> 
> Your experience is utterly different than mine. My experience is that
> bassoonists, cellists, even bassists, and *especially* trombonists of all
> ages read tenor clef with complete facility and without the first hint of
> complaint. Trombonists also read alto clef. Could this be the difference
> between jazz band and orchestral worlds, I wonder.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Darcy James Argue <[email protected]>wrote:
> 
> > My experience is that bassoonists, trombonists, cellists, and pretty much
> > all non-violists under the age of 40 detest C clefs. In  new music, at
> > least, amongst younger players there is a very strong preference for ledger
> > lines above the staff (up to 4) or, for extended extreme high-register
> > passages, treble clef.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > - DJA
> > -----
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> >
> > On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Raymond Horton <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Some bass players detest tenor clef.  I have seen reviews in a bass
> > > journal that said something like 'the much-feared tenor clef'
> > > appearing in a piece that was being reviewed.
> > >
> > >
> > > Raymond Horton
> > > Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
> > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
> > > Composer, Arranger
> > > VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Chuck Israels <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >> I see treble clef more often than tenor clef for high notes in bass
> > parts. At least that has been my experience in recent years.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:46 AM, Jan Angermüller <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Darcy,
> > >>>
> > >>> use a mid-measure clef and then assign
> > >>> a playback expression to the first note in the new clef
> > >>> that sets transposition to whatever you need (0, -12, 12).
> > >>> Repeat the same when switching back to bass clef.
> > >>>
> > >>> But do you really need to change the transposition ?
> > >>> In standard contrabass notation the treble clef
> > >>> is also read as 8vb, just like the bass clef.
> > >>> So if you assign a standard bass clef (without 8vb)
> > >>> and a standard treble clef (without 8vb) and set the
> > >>> transposition settings in score manager to "Down octave".
> > >>> Everything should be clear for the bass player and
> > >>> you don't need any manual transposition changes.
> > >>>
> > >>> Using an 8vb bass clef and a treble clef without 8vb,
> > >>> but that playsback as 8vb, seems inconsistent to me
> > >>> and also not clear for the bass player.
> > >>>
> > >>> And last but not least, treble clefs rarely appear in
> > >>> contrabass notation. Usually the tenor clef is used
> > >>> for high notes. Only the highest flageoletts or
> > >>> Bottesini style arpeggios are usually written in treble clef.
> > >>>
> > >>> Hope this helps.
> > >>>
> > >>> Jan
> > >>>
> > >>> Am 13.04.2014 08:08, schrieb Darcy James Argue:
> > >>>> Hello,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm working with a score in concert pitch, where the contrabasses are
> > notated with the 8vb bass clef in the score, but a regular bass clef (as
> > usual) in the part. This is all fine and well and easy to set up in the
> > Score Manger (with a transposition and Set To Clef).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The problem arises when you need to change clefs to an 8vb treble
> > clef in the score, showing as a regular treble clef in the part, and this
> > clef change occurs mid-measure. In Finale 2011 in older, you could simply
> > apply a staff style with the same transposition but Set To Clef assigned to
> > treble clef -- but Fin2012 and 2014 won't allow you to apply a transposing
> > staff style to a partial measure.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Given that, what is the best workaround? There is one I can think of
> > involving clefs as expressions but I'd prefer to avoid going down that
> > rabbit hole if I can avoid it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> - DJA
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