As a former trombone player, I learned alto and tenor clefs when I was in high school. Trying to gain some facility with soprano clef now. Never did see a C-clef in a jazz chart. I have a card from a drummer that actually has a C-clef on it--very gutsy.
ajr ---- Robert Patterson <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow, Darcy. > > Your experience is utterly different than mine. My experience is that > bassoonists, cellists, even bassists, and *especially* trombonists of all > ages read tenor clef with complete facility and without the first hint of > complaint. Trombonists also read alto clef. Could this be the difference > between jazz band and orchestral worlds, I wonder. > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Darcy James Argue <[email protected]>wrote: > > > My experience is that bassoonists, trombonists, cellists, and pretty much > > all non-violists under the age of 40 detest C clefs. In new music, at > > least, amongst younger players there is a very strong preference for ledger > > lines above the staff (up to 4) or, for extended extreme high-register > > passages, treble clef. > > > > Cheers, > > > > - DJA > > ----- > > WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > > > On Apr 13, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Raymond Horton <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Some bass players detest tenor clef. I have seen reviews in a bass > > > journal that said something like 'the much-feared tenor clef' > > > appearing in a piece that was being reviewed. > > > > > > > > > Raymond Horton > > > Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra > > > Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC > > > Composer, Arranger > > > VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Chuck Israels <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >> I see treble clef more often than tenor clef for high notes in bass > > parts. At least that has been my experience in recent years. > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > >>> On Apr 13, 2014, at 2:46 AM, Jan Angermüller <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Hi Darcy, > > >>> > > >>> use a mid-measure clef and then assign > > >>> a playback expression to the first note in the new clef > > >>> that sets transposition to whatever you need (0, -12, 12). > > >>> Repeat the same when switching back to bass clef. > > >>> > > >>> But do you really need to change the transposition ? > > >>> In standard contrabass notation the treble clef > > >>> is also read as 8vb, just like the bass clef. > > >>> So if you assign a standard bass clef (without 8vb) > > >>> and a standard treble clef (without 8vb) and set the > > >>> transposition settings in score manager to "Down octave". > > >>> Everything should be clear for the bass player and > > >>> you don't need any manual transposition changes. > > >>> > > >>> Using an 8vb bass clef and a treble clef without 8vb, > > >>> but that playsback as 8vb, seems inconsistent to me > > >>> and also not clear for the bass player. > > >>> > > >>> And last but not least, treble clefs rarely appear in > > >>> contrabass notation. Usually the tenor clef is used > > >>> for high notes. Only the highest flageoletts or > > >>> Bottesini style arpeggios are usually written in treble clef. > > >>> > > >>> Hope this helps. > > >>> > > >>> Jan > > >>> > > >>> Am 13.04.2014 08:08, schrieb Darcy James Argue: > > >>>> Hello, > > >>>> > > >>>> I'm working with a score in concert pitch, where the contrabasses are > > notated with the 8vb bass clef in the score, but a regular bass clef (as > > usual) in the part. This is all fine and well and easy to set up in the > > Score Manger (with a transposition and Set To Clef). > > >>>> > > >>>> The problem arises when you need to change clefs to an 8vb treble > > clef in the score, showing as a regular treble clef in the part, and this > > clef change occurs mid-measure. In Finale 2011 in older, you could simply > > apply a staff style with the same transposition but Set To Clef assigned to > > treble clef -- but Fin2012 and 2014 won't allow you to apply a transposing > > staff style to a partial measure. > > >>>> > > >>>> Given that, what is the best workaround? There is one I can think of > > involving clefs as expressions but I'd prefer to avoid going down that > > rabbit hole if I can avoid it. > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers, > > >>>> > > >>>> - DJA > > >>>> ----- > > >>>> WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Finale mailing list > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >>>> > > >>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > >>>> [email protected] > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Finale mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >>> > > >>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Finale mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > >> > > >> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > >> [email protected] > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Finale mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Finale mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > > [email protected] > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: [email protected]
