>i think it *does* require explanation No one ever explained it to me, and I got it right away. ymmv
Crumb only uses it to fill whole "bars" (though sometimes without barlines, as you see). >in your ex1 why is the end of the 1st measure in the upper piano not a dotted 8th? While not relevant to the question at hand, I would guess it is because he want to show a 3+2 feel. >but a stemless quarter head with lv ties would do just as well. But then it might require rests, and the whole point of this notation is to show the duration. If you carried this notation to its pedantic extreme, I suppose you could fill a 9/4 bar with a double whole dotted on the right and double-dotted on the left. But Crumb does not do that. He fills 9/4 bars conventionally with dotted whole tied to dotted half. It seems like this notation is reserved for filling 5-beat bars. On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 10:18 AM, SN jef chippewa < [email protected]> wrote: > > i think it *does* require explanation, it is certainly not > self-evident. but you can get away with not explaining it in a > legend because there is a surrounding context within which the > musician can deduce its sense. but imagine the symbol in a > non-metered and solistic situation, e.g., various durational values > following one another in a chain but no barlines or time sigs -- you > would have no idea what is meant unless you knew beforehand. > > and the fact that you have to count backwards AND forwards makes it a > bad choice for me: > 4+2-1=5 or > (4 x 1-1/2) - (4 x 1/4) > > i would definitely boycott this notation. > > in ex2 there is interest in having a single symbol for the duration > because of the l.v. but a stemless quarter head with lv ties would do > just as well. and that is indeed something i have seen many times. > better than stemmed quarter with lv ties followed by a whole rest in > square brackets, for example. > > in your ex1 why is the end of the 1st measure in the upper piano not > a dotted 8th? > > in your ex2 i would rather see the 5/4 value notated as half tied to > dotted half (in both cases), reflecting what is happening in the > other piano each time (held note 2/4 then pedalling over 3/4) > > > >For anyone who is interested in the notation, here are a couple examples. > > > >https://www.dropbox.com/s/e67walobznq1ygl/Crumb-DayOfComet.tiff?dl=0 > >https://www.dropbox.com/s/0nz3afpyiyx1y4m/Crumb-ZeitgeistEx2.tiff?dl=0 > > > >He also uses it extensively in the "Musica Apocalypitca" movement of > >Star Child. It really requires no explanation, which is one of the > >attractive features of it. > > -- > > neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation > http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html > > shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com > new music notation + arts management + translation > [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise > > _______________________________________________ > Finale mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > [email protected] > _______________________________________________ Finale mailing list [email protected] https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: [email protected]
