I would be very interested to know more specifics about the things that are
"well beyond Fin/Sib". Graphically, I know about flexible slurs, and I
would be curious to know if lines (like 8va) also have multiple inflection

Beyond that, I would be curious to know what makes Dorico so much more
superior for part layout.

Do you use any 3rd party plugins with Finale? In my experience, working
without key 3rd party plugins in Finale is the slag mines. But I've
developed a workflow using several key plugins that is very fast for many
of the things you mentioned. In fact, it is difficult to imagine them being
much faster.


On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:38 PM Craig Parmerlee <cr...@parmerlee.com> wrote:

> I would also note Sibelius 2019 was announced this week.  It seems to be
> roughly the same magnitude of the Finale 26 release.  I am sure the
> improvements are welcome, but really, this is a minuscule amount of
> improvement for a paid release.  Dorico is adding capability 10-to-100
> times faster than either Finale or Sibelius.
> Dorico has a steep learning curve, and it is getting steeper all the
> time as layers of capability are added.  It still lacks a few things
> that the other programs have. For example, there is not yet any
> automatic way to have a single line in the score (e.g. FHorn 1&3) break
> out to separate parts for Fhorn 1 and FHorn 3.  And Dorico's automatic
> playback isn't as advanced as Finale Human Playback.  But Dorico already
> does some things that are well beyond Finale and Sibelius.  Moreover,
> the architecture is more elegant, particularly in the ability to lay out
> music intelligently in a minimum amount of time.  On the playback side,
> many people are using Note Performer with Dorico and claiming very good
> results.  I don't care that much.  The playback is good enough for what
> I do.
> I still have Finale 25 installed in case it is required for a
> collaboration, but I am doing all my new projects in Dorico now.  I find
> a typical project is taking about half as long with Dorico as I would
> have spent in Finale.  Much of that comes at the back end where I had to
> spend hours in final editing of part layouts.  With Dorico I typically
> spend about one minute per page for part layout -- sometimes no editing
> at all. But Dorico also provides big opportunities for time saving
> during the note entry and harmonization processes.
> On 1/22/2019 8:21 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
> > Hello Finale and Sibelius Friends,
> >
> > I'm forwarding this message to both the Finale and Sibelius groups, in
> > case anybody is interested in exploring Dorico.  Using the code
> > DORICO30 you can get 30% off of either Dorico 2 or Dorico Elements 2
> > (a lighter version of Dorico) for this week only apparently.
> >
> > Both of those programs also have free demo versions you can download
> > and explore.
> >
> > I'm not trying to push it on anybody but I know some people might be
> > curious.  Version 2 brought many major improvements over version 1.
> >
> > I freely admit that I am still not very fluent in Dorico, knowing that
> > it will take me a lot of work to master it, but I also know there are
> > people in both Finale and Sibelius groups who have taken to Dorico and
> > are doing major projects in it.
> >
> > There is a forum at steinberg.net for people who want to get a sense
> > of how users are faring with the product.
> >
> > Dorico still uses their elicenser software or their extra-cost USB
> > dongle, so for people who are vehemently opposed to such anti-piracy
> > methods, nothing has changed and you probably won't want to explore
> > Dorico beyond the demo versions (I don't know if those have any
> > anti-piracy methods since they're freely distributed by Steinberg.)
> >
> > However, given the lack of forward motion in Sibelius and the lack of
> > substantive improvements in Finale beyond the automatic stacking of
> > articulations, Dorico may well be the future of professional level
> > computer notation software.
> >
> > Just wanted to let you all know,
> > David H. Bailey
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