This is an interesting discussion….I am interested in hearing what 3rd party 
plugins are you referring to, Robert.   I am always looking for ways to 
automate Finale.

Larry Eden

> On Jan 25, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Robert Patterson <rob...@robertgpatterson.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I would be very interested to know more specifics about the things that are
> "well beyond Fin/Sib". Graphically, I know about flexible slurs, and I
> would be curious to know if lines (like 8va) also have multiple inflection
> points.
> 
> Beyond that, I would be curious to know what makes Dorico so much more
> superior for part layout.
> 
> Do you use any 3rd party plugins with Finale? In my experience, working
> without key 3rd party plugins in Finale is the slag mines. But I've
> developed a workflow using several key plugins that is very fast for many
> of the things you mentioned. In fact, it is difficult to imagine them being
> much faster.
> 
> ymmv
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 2:38 PM Craig Parmerlee <cr...@parmerlee.com> wrote:
> 
>> I would also note Sibelius 2019 was announced this week.  It seems to be
>> roughly the same magnitude of the Finale 26 release.  I am sure the
>> improvements are welcome, but really, this is a minuscule amount of
>> improvement for a paid release.  Dorico is adding capability 10-to-100
>> times faster than either Finale or Sibelius.
>> 
>> Dorico has a steep learning curve, and it is getting steeper all the
>> time as layers of capability are added.  It still lacks a few things
>> that the other programs have. For example, there is not yet any
>> automatic way to have a single line in the score (e.g. FHorn 1&3) break
>> out to separate parts for Fhorn 1 and FHorn 3.  And Dorico's automatic
>> playback isn't as advanced as Finale Human Playback.  But Dorico already
>> does some things that are well beyond Finale and Sibelius.  Moreover,
>> the architecture is more elegant, particularly in the ability to lay out
>> music intelligently in a minimum amount of time.  On the playback side,
>> many people are using Note Performer with Dorico and claiming very good
>> results.  I don't care that much.  The playback is good enough for what
>> I do.
>> 
>> I still have Finale 25 installed in case it is required for a
>> collaboration, but I am doing all my new projects in Dorico now.  I find
>> a typical project is taking about half as long with Dorico as I would
>> have spent in Finale.  Much of that comes at the back end where I had to
>> spend hours in final editing of part layouts.  With Dorico I typically
>> spend about one minute per page for part layout -- sometimes no editing
>> at all. But Dorico also provides big opportunities for time saving
>> during the note entry and harmonization processes.
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/22/2019 8:21 AM, David H. Bailey wrote:
>>> Hello Finale and Sibelius Friends,
>>> 
>>> I'm forwarding this message to both the Finale and Sibelius groups, in
>>> case anybody is interested in exploring Dorico.  Using the code
>>> DORICO30 you can get 30% off of either Dorico 2 or Dorico Elements 2
>>> (a lighter version of Dorico) for this week only apparently.
>>> 
>>> Both of those programs also have free demo versions you can download
>>> and explore.
>>> 
>>> I'm not trying to push it on anybody but I know some people might be
>>> curious.  Version 2 brought many major improvements over version 1.
>>> 
>>> I freely admit that I am still not very fluent in Dorico, knowing that
>>> it will take me a lot of work to master it, but I also know there are
>>> people in both Finale and Sibelius groups who have taken to Dorico and
>>> are doing major projects in it.
>>> 
>>> There is a forum at steinberg.net for people who want to get a sense
>>> of how users are faring with the product.
>>> 
>>> Dorico still uses their elicenser software or their extra-cost USB
>>> dongle, so for people who are vehemently opposed to such anti-piracy
>>> methods, nothing has changed and you probably won't want to explore
>>> Dorico beyond the demo versions (I don't know if those have any
>>> anti-piracy methods since they're freely distributed by Steinberg.)
>>> 
>>> However, given the lack of forward motion in Sibelius and the lack of
>>> substantive improvements in Finale beyond the automatic stacking of
>>> articulations, Dorico may well be the future of professional level
>>> computer notation software.
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to let you all know,
>>> David H. Bailey
>> 
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