Actually, I was going to stick it in the "running X11" section of the
documentation pages.  I was in the middle of updating some of the
versions (some parts still say the current version is 4.2.0!) when 4.3
came out, and I was waiting until the dust settled to make an update. 

On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 22:59, Benjamin Reed wrote:
> (excuse me for spamming you with a huge message, but I have an ulterior 
> motive, I'd like to point to this in the FAQ too.)
> 
> Greg wrote:
> > Am I'm I reading this correctly: XFree86 and xDarwin are separate installs?
> 
> They're all variants on XFree86 (they're all based on the XFree86 code).
> 
> > And what about xDarwin 4.3?  Is this a purchase only version?  I can't 
> > find the download anywhere.  Does the earlier version have any special 
> > needs (or draws backs) in order to run in 10.2 (like Developer Tools)?
> 
> XDarwin.org seems to be a group of people making money off of the real 
> work being done by the XonX people (http://xonx.sf.net/).  Now, it's not 
> illegal to make money off of it, but the XDarwin folks sure go out of 
> their way to make it look like they're the ones making it, so I'd stay 
> away on principle.  :P  Please note I'm saying this as a regular guy, 
> not in any official Fink capacity.  :)
> 
> Anyways, the summary goes like this:
> 
> XDarwin.org: XFree86 4.3.0 (repackaged?)
>     XDarwin.org's packages are just a redistribution of XFree86 4.3
>     from XonX.
> 
>     Install system-xfree86 after installing this.
> 
> xonx.sf.net: XFree86 4.3.0
>     XonX is the sourceforge project officially managing the
>     darwin-specific bits for XFree86 (mostly the work of Torrey Lyons).
> 
>     Install either:
>        "xfree86" from Fink unstable, or
>        the installer package from the web site + system-xfree86
> 
>     Note that these official XFree86 binaries are also available in a
>     command-line shell script installer version from XFree86's FTP site.
>     There's really no reason to go this way, but it works perfectly fine
>     installing with those packages rather than the Apple installer on the
>     XonX web site.  You would still use system-xfree86 when you're done.
> 
> Apple X11: XFree86 4.2.1
> 
>     Apple's X11 is based on XFree86 4.2.1 with some modifications.  A
>     number of the modifications overlap with the changes in XFree86
>     4.3.0, and a number don't.  The net sum is that they're both about
>     equal as far as performance, the only difference is Apple's X11 has
>     quartz-wm and XFree86 4.3.0 doesn't (and Apple X11 has a couple of
>     strange keyboard bugs right now, hopefully the next beta will clean
>     that up).  Supposedly, they will eventually merge the XFree86 4.3
>     codebase with their work, which may make it the best of all,
>     performance-wise, but for now it's about on par with 4.3.0.
> 
>     Install system-xfree86 after installing this (system-xfree86 4.2-11
>     is the version that understands the latest Apple X11 beta).
> 
> Fink stable XFree86: XFree86 4.2.1.1
> 
>     These are packages of the previous XonX release, split into two
>     halves (the libraries and the X11 display server).  It's older but
>     very solid.  It comes in 2 variants, threaded and non-threaded.
>     The threaded build is a bit of a hack, but is required by a few
>     packages (xine being the most popular, I think).  If you don't
>     require threading, however, I would suggest not using it.  Otherwise
>     if you switch to Apple's X11 (which doesn't support threading), you
>     wouldn't be able to run binaries you compiled against the threaded
>     versions.
> 
>     Install either:
>        xfree86-base and xfree86-rootless, or
>        xfree86-base-threaded and xfree86-rootless-threaded
> 
> > <I guess what I'm asking for is a list of what needs to be installed, 
> > and in what order, so I can get back to running GNOME and KDE in 10.2>
> 
> There is no one list.  You can install any of the X11 variants and 
> things should work OK for you.  My suggestion is either Apple X11 (with 
> system-xfree86) or XFree86 4.3.0 (the "xfree86" package in unstable) if 
> you're willing to deal with possibly-more-unstable code, although in 
> practice they're both fairly solid for day-to-day work.
> 
> If you want rock-solid stability at the expense of speed, xfree86-base + 
> xfree86-rootless is the way to go.
> 
> 
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