David R. Morrison wrote:
>Another thing I wonder: a few of the guys on #fink have installed Darwin 
>recently (I think maybe both vasi and RangerRick did this), and I'm wondering 
>what they did to install Fink. 

I was able to get wget via ftp, from ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/wget/. I suppose you can 
download http:// urls with telnet too, but I have no idea how to get the result into a 
file. It is quite annoying that Darwin includes all sorts of extras like PHP and x11, 
but doesn't include a downloader, I hope this is rectified in future releases.

While I'm on this subject, there are some packages which don't compile on Darwin. 
Obviously ones that are expected to use Carbon, such as SDL, will have problems--but 
some others have problems as well. I've created some new packages to deal with this:

- esound-darwin eliminates esound's dependency on Core Audio, by totally removing 
sound playback and recording support. Basically, it's just a stub so that other 
packages that depend on esound (like most of Gnome) can build.
- python-darwin doesn't build the Mac Toolbox extension.
- mozilla-darwin doesn't link against Carbon. This probably breaks something, but it 
still works in at least a limited capacity.

However, I'm not sure how to integrate these packages into Fink. With the -shlibs 
policy implemented, it's difficult to make esound-darwin provide esound in a way that 
doesn't confuse users (similarly to the giflib/libungif problem). Also, would it be 
more confusing than it's worth to have separate -darwin packages? I have no idea if 
anyone is actually running pure Darwin for anything besides testing purposes.

With the -darwin packages, both Gnome and KDE build fine on a pure Darwin system. It's 
a bit slow at some things, but definitely usable, sound support is the only huge thing 
missing. I can't distribute the -darwin packages right now (connectivity problems) but 
if anyone wants to try them out Benjamin Reed (aka RangerRick) has a copy.

Dave

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