----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip F. Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: [inbox] RE: UK Guardian: Row over figures as crime drops 5%
> Well, Dr(?) Kleiman's following paragraph needs to be reconsidered by > him: > I must say I find the whole tone of this thread rather shocking on a > scholarly list. Some people are married to the idea that gun controls > cause crime. The UK instituted gun controls, and crime fell, according > to the best evidence we have. Instead of questioning their theories, > the proponents of "more guns less crime" are questioning the data, even > if it means relying on newspaper accounts of what interested and > ignorant politicians have to say. I doubt this argument would be > happening here if the victimization survey showed crime up, rather than > down. > > Dr. Kleiman needs to check his facts. First, gun crime has risen in > Britain since the ban of handguns (see Crime in England and Wales > 2003/04, page 80, Figure 5.6). While it is true that Murder has fallen > in the most recent year, a major part of the apparent decline came from > 172 murders (by serial killer Dr. Shipman) which were booked in 2002/03 > and did not recur in 2003/04. Removing those murders from And many of these murders took place in previous years, skewing the previous data as well. Clayton E. Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ To post, send message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, unsubscribe, change options, or get password, see http://lists.ucla.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/firearmsregprof Please note that messages sent to this large list cannot be viewed as private. Anyone can subscribe to the list and read messages that are posted; people can read the Web archives; and list members can (rightly or wrongly) forward the messages to others.
