Yes! Good point. It's *especially* wrong to say that the close button should silently make a permanent settings change.
I guess what we're both saying is that the context matters. Yes, over the history of UI design, the vast majority of applications have quit completely on being closed (Macs excluded). But that's because those applications exist *only in the window.* When you close the last Word document, Word might as well go away. Firebug isn't Word. And just as IM clients don't quit when you close their main UI window, Firebug shouldn't either. Other plugins have long since recognized this. Both as a Firefox plugin AND as part of a general desktop UI, then, having the "quit" button in the upper-right is just wrong. (And 1.4's "minimize" isn't consistent either. A minimized window has its own icon all to itself, represeting *the window*, not the app.) Whatever defenses there may be of the 1.4 button placements, conformity to UI standards ain't one. - Luke On Jul 20, 10:54 pm, sir_brizz <[email protected]> wrote: > On Jul 20, 10:42 pm, johnjbarton <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Jul 20, 8:03 pm, Luke Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > meaning of "close" was way more consistent with the common idea of > > > closing a window than the minimize button is consistent with > > > minimizing.) > > > The default behavior of window tool kits for say 20 years have the > > upper right [X] close the application, not minimize it. More recently > > some applications don't exit. > > Look no further than every other Firefox extension that has an X for a > close button, yet does not shut down, detach and practically unload > itself when the X button is clicked. The major annoyance me and surely > several other people have is not just that Firebug's X button is a > habit for us, but that in each previous version of Firebug the X > mimicked the functionality of other panel based extensions (which we > still use and must keep our existing habits for), whereas now it's > trying to act like it is it's own application and not following the > same precedent set forth by innumerable other extensions, including > older versions of Firebug. > > Personally, I've been editing the xul sheet for the overlay every time > I update Firebug to move the off button to the left and the minimize > button to the right. It makes much more sense to me to keep a function > that is generally not recommended for use (as it changes an internal > setting that may be unintended) in the most prime location for > clicking to move the panel out of the way (you know, like all the > other extensions that use in-windows panels, like AdBlock Plus or > Firefox's internal Bookmarks/History panels). --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Firebug" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/firebug?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
