Hi Tom,
At 18:27 01/09/00 +0200, Thomas Lopatic wrote:
>Hi Mouss,
>
>[snip]
I realize we are "focusing" on different parts of the questions, so even
our examples
can be used in many ways. so, I'll stop this thread and continue on the other,
but let me just say some words (I promiss this i the last in this thread).
>True. Check Point is to blame for the bugs. So would be CISCO if bugs
>were found in PIX. Or NAI. Any vendor. But what does this have to do
>with our discussion? This still does not mean that Check Point's
>engineers are worse than any other vendor's engineers.
I'm pretty sure they are very good ones. If I say that product quality depends
also on the process, that would restart the thread. so let's say each one of us
understands what the other mean.
>[Linux... snip]
sorry if I offended any linuxer.
> > Surprisingly, this makes happy 2 categories of people:
> > - firewall vendors
> > - security consultants
> > and to tell you the truth, when an argumentation makes someone happy, this
> > makes me check it twice.
>
>Ah... the ad hominem approach. Perhaps I should have stated from the
>beginning that we do not sell any hardware or software, if that's what
>is bothering you. We concentrate on independent reviews.
my remark was not intended to you. I don't doubt you are a honest guy.
> > Again, multiple lines of defense help, but that's not all. One OpenBSD is
> > bettere than 10 NTs.
>
>Geez, let us please not get into OS wars here.
oops. I felt into the old trap.
>You would have to apply the same scrutiny to each firewall. Then this
>statement may be true. And I still doubt that the same efforts, e.g. in
>terms of man days, have been put into breaking anything apart from
>FireWall-1. At least by public organizations. :-) I guess there are
>still ugly things lurking in any firewall product.
I fully agree. If I ever say that one FW is better than the other, then you're
right to ask me for a proof, and I don't have any.
>Hmmm, reading through this again I get the feeling that the only one
>incriminating anything or anyone is you: Linux developers, Windows NT,
>FireWall-1. See, the ad hominem approach again. :-)
well done! next time, I'll chose my examples so as to avoid any possibility of
offending anyone. let me state it to the world that I love everybody, or at
least,
I think I do, but I may be wrong (my thinking process has not been audited
yet),
and it may that I am a bad guy who hates everyone. so, I can only hope this
is untrue.
warm kisses to the human race (and animals too, particularly the pingouins),
mouss
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