This issue I see is that many of the trade rags are blurring the 
definition of a what a firewall is and what intrusion detection is.

True Intrusion Detection alerts regarding the anomalous activity that may 
occur, this is after discarding normal user activity and classifying each 
alert in some sort of categorical fashion, and then eliminating the false 
positives that may occur.  Each product listed below has a  number of 
alerts that could be classified as a false positives or events that are 
normally generated when a user is connected to a network of sorts (i.e. 
cable modem, ISDN, DSL, xDSL, T-1) and also the network environment they 
are part of (Microsoft, Sun, Novell)..

The definition of a firewall has been explained in many books and many 
whitepapers, and each definition I have read is a little bit different.

"Firewalls and Internet Security" by Bellovin and Cheswick has one of the 
better definitions of what a firewall is, plus some interesting factoids 
regarding "An Evening with Bereford"

Another source of a firewall definition is by listed in the Firewalls FAQ 
(originally authored by Marcus Ranum ) and now maintained by Matt Curtin 
of Interhack.

The key to the software listed below is to choose the software that 
generates the least amount of false positives and has the ability to learn 
a particular user's activity, and have the ability to add/delete filters 
or events manually.

Each software listed below has been coded with varying logic to have or 
display feature rich attributes over the other products in the same space.

It is like installing a Microsoft product, User Beware..

/mark




Jamy Klein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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A true firewall is available from www.tinysoftware.com it's called tiny
firewall, and has configurable rules/filtering, port blocking, and loggin.
It's only $29.95. Macafee personal firewall formerly conseal private 
desktop
is only $39.95 and is also much better and a true firewall. Zonealarm is
much better than blackice and it's free.

So as for getting what you pay for, I disagree. Clearly, better products 
are
available for the same price point or free in the case of zonealarm.

Jamy

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You can block specific ports with Defender.  As for being a true firewall,
no it isn't.  But, for the money you get what you pay for.

eric.

On Fri, 02 June 2000, Jamy Klein wrote:

>
>
> Balck Ice defender is not a true firewall.. It's basically intrusion
> detection.
> You can't set access rules, or block specific ports with defender, all 
the
> other products listed are true port blockers at the least. In the case 
of
> Conseal firewall and winroute tey are even packet filters. Network ice's
> site even states that it is intrusin detection and not a true firewall.
>
> Jamy
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> BlackICE Defender is a much more evolved product, than most of them, 
plus
> their documentation even with errors is far superior over the other
> products.
>
> The Radio Ads for MacAfee Personal Firewall sounds kindy of cheesy
> though..
>
> You really want something that is simple enough for my cat to install
>
> /m
>
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> If anyone is interested, here is a summary of the responses I received
> after
> requesting suggestions for Personal Firewalls:
>
> ZoneAlarm (3 recommendations)   http://www.zonelabs.com/
> McAfee Personal Firewall (Formerly "ConSeal Private Desktop") (3
> recommendations)   http://www.mcafee.com/
> BlackICE Defender (2 recommendations)   http://www.networkice.com/
> WinRoute (1 recommendation)   http://www.tinysoftware.com/
> CyberwallPLUS (1 recommendation)   http://www.network-1.com/
> GNAT Box (1 recommendation)   http://www.gnatbox.com/
> ConSeal PC Firewall (1 recommendation)   http://www.consealfirewall.com/
>
> For the record, I was also pointed to Gibson Research
> (http://grc.com/default.htm) which has an online tool for testing how
secure
> your connection is, and describes a method for adding firewall-like
> protection
> to a Windows computer without actually installing a firewall; and I was
> reminded
> that VPNs and "insecure nodes" are a dangerous combination -- with or
> without
> firewalls.
>
> Thanks again to everyone that responded!
>
> Brant
>
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