At 02:11 PM 8/12/00 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Becoming a certified Harley mechanic is much harder than becoming a 
>certified CISSP..  :)
>
>/mark
>
>At 12:42 PM 8/12/00 -0600, Mike Forrester wrote:
>>
>>
>>My point?  I think that studying the material for a certification helps to
>>give you a good foundation to broaden your knowledge.  If you learn only by
>>hands-on (which I had), I think you sometimes miss little stuff (and
>>sometimes big stuff).

Actually it is hands-on + having the ability to find the correct RFC or 
body of knowledge to be on top of the game.  It takes hours upon hours, 
days upon days, weeks upon weeks.

I know several Corporate VP's of Info Sec companies who only have high 
school diploma equivalents and could not quite make it out of college.  I 
think he is very rich now, so I don't think having a degree really matters 
to him anymore.. :) Firewall certifications.. Yes, I seem to recall a 
course that will give you a huge laminated 8 x 11 paper with A-OK.. But I 
can not seem to recall the URL for it.. :)




>>Mike
>>
>>BTW - m, I hope you don't use the same criteria for network hardware as you
>>do motorcycles.  Look cool, sometimes sound cool, everyone thinks it's cool,
>>but are average performing, unstable, and over-priced for what you get (a
>>name)... ;-)

Actually my comment is quite true.  Harleys are loud and obnoxious and if 
tuned properly rarely ever fail.  Network hardware can be very expensive, 
if not tuned properly can be very loud and obnoxious and worse, your 
organization can end up on the front page of the NY Times.  If you wipe out 
your badly enough on your Harley, you may receive one or two lines in the 
paper, but if your organization is wiped out bad enough by hackers, you 
will get more than one or two lines in the paper.. :)

I use a harder criteria when interviewin motorcycle mechanics who even 
approach my bike.

/m




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