Dear FIS Colleagues,

With due respect to Pedro, my first reaction to Stan's proposed question is  a 
positive "very useful". I believe that there are deep issues of randomness or 
spontaneity, determinism and computability that will emerge from its 
discussion. Another aspect is whether any order we may discern can be, as I 
suggest, logical in an expanded sense of logic. I would look forward to a 
discussion of this topic.

Best wishes,

Joe Brenner




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:56 PM
  Subject: [Fis] list discussions


  Dear FIS colleagues,

  It is a long time that we do not have discussions in the list. I have not 
been able to arrange any other "planned session" after Bob Logan's one, due to 
work reasons (changing to a new job months ago). It is not sure at all that in 
a few weeks there will be a new session arranged. However, several weeks ago, 
Stan suggested starting an open, informal discussion around a simple question: 

  Is Nature Orderly? 

  As a side comment (or response of sorts), I quote from P.M. Binder: "The 
field of complex systems currently appears as an unfinished mosaic. Many 
capable researchers are polishing and gluing the tiles that may turn it into 
the queen of all sciences, the science of synthesis and surprise. As we realize 
how much everything is connected, both cooperation [or emergence] and dynamical 
frustration can become important tools for our understanding of how the world 
works."  (2008, Nature, 320, pp. 320-21)... just substituting information 
science for complex systems, and another couple of terms (more subtle ones I do 
not see yet) for cooperation and dynamical frustration, it becomes my first 
reaction to Stan's.

  By the way, small organization initiatives are in the way, e.g., financing 
for a FIS European meeting has been applied by Wolfgang and others  (around 
November there will be confirmation).  More will follow. 

  best wishes

  Pedro

  PS. Interested parties may take note of my new address:

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  Avda. Gómez Laguna, 25, Pl. 11ª
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