Dear FISers, 

Indeed information can be considered downwards (physical & meaningless) and
upwards (biological & meaningful). The difference being about
interpretation or not. 

It also introduces an evolutionary approach to information processing and
meaning generation.

There is a chapter on that subject in a recent book 

“Computation on Information, Meaning and
Representations.An Evolutionary Approach”

Content of the chapter:

1. Information and Meaning. Meaning Generation

1.1. Information.Meaning of information and
quantity of information

1.2. Meaningful
information and constraint satisfaction. A systemic approach

2. Information, Meaning and Representations. An
Evolutionary Approach 

2.1. Stay alive constraint
and meaning generation for organisms

2.2. The Meaning Generator System (MGS). A systemic and evolutionary approach

2.3. Meaning transmission

2.4. Individual and species constraints. Group life constraints. Networks of

2.5. From meaningful information to meaningful representations

3. Meaningful Information and Representations in

4. Meaningful Information and Representations in Artificial Systems

4.1. Meaningful information
and representations from traditional AI to Nouvelle AI. Embodied-situated AI

4.2. Meaningful representations versus the guidance theory of representation

4.3. Meaningful information and representations versus the enactive approach

5. Conclusion and Continuation

5.1. Conclusion

5.2. Continuation

A version close to the
final text can be reached at

As Plamen says, we may be at the beginning of a new scientific revolution. But 
afraid that an understanding of the meaning of information needs clear enough an
understanding of the constraint at the source of the meaning generation process.
And even for basic organic meanings coming from a “stay alive” constraint, we 
to face the still mysterious nature of life. And for human meanings, the even 
mysterious nature of human mind.

This is not to discourage our efforts in investigating these questions. Just to
put a stick in the ground showing where we stand. 



Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:47:28 +0100
Subject: [Fis] [Fwd: Re:  Physics of computing]--Plamen S.

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      Re: [Fis] Physics of computing
      Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:24:38 +0100
      Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov <>
      Pedro C. Marijuan <>


Dear All,

I could not agree more with Pedro's opinion. The referred article is
interesting indeed. but, information is only physical in the narrow
sense taken by conventional physicalistic-mechanistic-computational
approaches. Such a statement defends the reductionist view at nature:
sorry. But information is more than bits and Shanno's law and biology
has far more to offer. I think we are at the beginning of a new
scientific revolution. So, we may need to take our (Maxwell) "daemons"
and (Turing) "oracles" closer under the lens. In fact, David Ball, the
author of the Nature paper approached me after my talk in Brussels in
2010 on the Integral Biomathics approach and told me he thinks it were
a step in the right direction: biology driven mathematics and

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On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Pedro C.
Marijuan <>

Dear discussants,


I tend to disagree with the motto "information is physical" if taken
too strictly. Obviously if we look "downwards" it is OK, but in the
"upward" direction it is different. Info is not only physical then, and
the dimension of self-construction along the realization of life cycle
has to be entered. Then the signal, the info, has "content" and
"meaning". Otherwise if we insist only in the physical downward
dimension we have just conventional computing/ info processing. My
opinion is that the notion of absence is crucial for advancing in the
upward, but useless in the downward. 

By the way, I already wrote about info and the absence theme in a 1994
or 1995 paper in BioSystems...






    Thanks John and Kevin to update issues in
computation, energy and reality.

     I would like point out to other articles
in how coherence and entanglement are used by living systems (far from


    Engel G.S., Calhoun T.R., Read E.L., Ahn
T., Cheng Y.C., Blankenship R.E., Fleming G.R. (2007) Evidence for
energy transfer through quantum coherence in photosynthetic systems.
446(7137): 782-786.


    Collini E., Scholes G. (2009) Coherent
energy in migration in a conjugated polymer at room temperature. 
Science, vol. 323 No. 5912 pp. 369-373.


    Gauger E.M., Rieper E., Morton J.J.L.,
S.C., Vedral V. (2011) Sustained Quantum Coherence and Entanglement in
Avian Compass. Phys. Rev. Lett., 106: 040503.


    Cia, J. et al, (2009) 
Dynamic entanglement in oscillating molecules.  arXiv:0809.4906v1










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