Dear Soren,
I agree with Stan's wording, but your wording is ambiguous. The meaning
is not biologically given, but constructed in a discourse among
biologists. The discourse can also be theological and then one obtains
"theological" meaning.
Best,
Loet
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------ Original Message ------
From: "Søren Brier" <sbr....@cbs.dk>
To: "Stanley N Salthe" <ssal...@binghamton.edu>; "fis"
<fis@listas.unizar.es>
Sent: 2/26/2018 6:41:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox
Thanks Stan. I agree: Behind production and interpretation of all
quantitative data, there is either an biological or an existential or
a religious or a philosophical framework of meaning.
Best
Søren
From: Stanley N Salthe [mailto:ssal...@binghamton.edu]
Sent: 26. februar 2018 16:19
To: Søren Brier <sbr....@cbs.dk>; fis <fis@listas.unizar.es>
Subject: Re: [Fis] A Paradox
Following upon Søren: Meaning is derived for a system by way of
Interpretation. The transmitted information has no meaning without
interpretation.
STAN
On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 6:26 AM, Søren Brier <sbr....@cbs.dk> wrote:
Dear Xueshan
The solution to the paradox is to go to a metaparadigm that can
encompass information science as well as linguistics. C.S. Peirce’s
semiotics is such a paradigm especially if you can integrate
cybernetics and systems theory with it. There is a summary of the
framework of Cybersemiotics here:
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/a5e7/cf50ffc5edbc110ccd08279d6d8b513bfbe2.pdf
Cordially yours
Søren Brier
Depart. of Management, Society and Comunication, CBS, Dalgas Have 15
(2VO25), 2000 Frederiksberg
Mobil 28494162 www.cbs.dk/en/staff/sbrmsc , cybersemiotics.com.
Fra: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] På vegne af Xueshan Yan
Sendt: 26. februar 2018 10:47
Til: FIS Group <fis@listas.unizar.es>
Emne: [Fis] A Paradox
Dear colleagues,
In my teaching career of Information Science, I was often puzzled by
the following inference, I call it Paradox of Meaning and Information
or Armenia Paradox. In order not to produce unnecessary ambiguity, I
state it below and strictly limit our discussion within the human
context.
Suppose an earthquake occurred in Armenia last night and all of the
main media of the world have given the report about it. On the second
day, two students A and B are putting forward a dialogue facing the
newspaper headline “Earthquake Occurred in Armenia Last Night”:
Q: What is the MEANING contained in this sentence?
A: An earthquake occurred in Armenia last night.
Q: What is the INFORMATION contained in this sentence?
A: An earthquake occurred in Armenia last night.
Thus we come to the conclusion that MEANING is equal to INFORMATION,
or strictly speaking, human meaning is equal to human information. In
Linguistics, the study of human meaning is called Human Semantics; In
Information Science, the study of human information is called Human
Informatics.
Historically, Human Linguistics has two definitions: 1, It is the
study of human language; 2, It, also called Anthropological
Linguistics or Linguistic Anthropology, is the historical and cultural
study of a human language. Without loss of generality, we only adopt
the first definitions here, so we regard Human Linguistics and
Linguistics as the same.
Due to Human Semantics is one of the disciplines of Linguistics and
its main task is to deal with the human meaning, and Human Informatics
is one of the disciplines of Information Science and its main task is
to deal with the human information; Due to human meaning is equal to
human information, thus we have the following corollary:
A: Human Informatics is a subfield of Human Linguistics.
According to the definition of general linguists, language is a
vehicle for transmitting information, therefore, Linguistics is a
branch of Human Informatics, so we have another corollary:
B: Human Linguistics is a subfield of Human Informatics.
Apparently, A and B are contradictory or logically unacceptable. It is
a paradox in Information Science and Linguistics. In most cases, a
settlement about the related paradox could lead to some important
discoveries in a subject, but how should we understand this paradox?
Best wishes,
Xueshan
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