Yes, correct. The right concept is the “external observer” – answered Giordano!

From: Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov 
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 11:36 AM
To: Loet Leydesdorff 
Cc: fis 
Subject: Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?

I know him: his name is God, the meta-observer + meta-actor at the same time. 
Correct, Bruno?




On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Loet Leydesdorff <> wrote:

  Dear Pedro, Koichiro, and colleagues,

  At the level of observers, indeed, a hierarchy may be involved for the change 
of focus (although this is empirical  and not necessarily the case). The 
communication, however, as a system different from the communicators may 
contain mechanisms such as "translation" which make it possible to redirect. 



  Loet Leydesdorff 

  Professor emeritus, University of Amsterdam
  Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR) ; 
  Associate Faculty, SPRU, University of Sussex; 

  Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ., Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, Beijing;

  Visiting Fellow, Birkbeck, University of London;

  ------ Original Message ------
  From: "Koichiro Matsuno" <>
  Sent: 3/2/2018 6:41:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [Fis] Meta-observer?

    On 28 Feb 2018 at 10:34 PM, PedroClemente Marijuan Fernadez wrote:

    A sort of "attention" capable of fast and furious displacements of the 
focus...  helas, this means a meta-observer or an observer-in-command.

       Pedro, it is of course one thing to conceive of a hierarchy of observers 
for our own sake, but quite another to figure out what the concrete 
participants such as molecules are doing out there. They are doing what would 
seem appropriate for them to do without minding what we are observing. At issue 
must be how something looking like a chain of command could happen to emerge 
without presuming such a chain in the beginning. Prerequisite to its emergence 
would be the well-being of each participant taken care of locally, as a 
replenishable inevitable. That is an issue of the origins of life. The 
impending agenda is on something general universal as an object, and yet 
concrete particular enough in process. The richness resides within the 
concreteness down to the bottom. 

       Apropos, the communications among the local participants differ from 
computation despite the seemingly concrete outlook of the latter. Computation 
upon the notion of time as the linear sequence of the now points is not 
available to the local participants because of the lack of the physical means 
for guaranteeing the sharing of the same now-point among themselves.

       Koichiro Matsuno

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