Dear Pedro and All, If I go back to Pedro's original note, I see a further aspect which might be worked into its discussion. There are no ideal meta-observers; we are all, to a certain extent, both meta-observers of the discussion and participants in it. This is not a simple vertical hierarchy. We move between these two roles, switching from actualizing one to the other. Recognition of both should help accomplish what I have tried to propose, namely, that we force ourselves to emphasize someone else's work in our proposals, rather than our own. Best regards, Joseph ----Message d'origine---- De : pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es Date : 28/02/2018 - 05:34 (PST) À : fis@listas.unizar.es Objet : [Fis] Meta-observer? head> Dear FISers, Although I share Terry's concern, I do not think that expostulating one's general framework is going to facilitate the discussions. Perhaps opposite, as it will introduce a trend towards generalization that fortifies the perspectival differences and makes the rhetorics less adjusted to the concrete. The problem basically resides in the persistent immaturity of the "information synthesis" so to speak. Defenders of each approach advocate a different "observer", charged in each case with their favorite conceptualizations. Taking into account the apparent multitude of dimensions of information, and its almost unfathomable reach, a "battery" of those observers has to be in place. And an agile switching among the observers has to be established. A sort of "attention" capable of fast and furious displacements of the focus... helas, this means a meta-observer or an observer-in-command. But what sort of reference may such a metaobserver arbitrate? There is no conceivable book of rules about the switching between heterogeneous disciplinary bodies. I see only one way, imitating the central goal of nervous systems: the metaobserver should finally care about our collective social life. It was Whitehead, as far as I remember, who put it: "to live, to live better." In each level of organization it is the life cycle of the concerned entities and the aggregates built upon them what matters. Information is not only about logic-formal aspects. It is the bread and butter of complexity, that which allows contemporary social life. So, in the coming session about "dataism" we can also explore these themes. Best--Pedro
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