Hi Alex,

Yes I agree about intuition. We should understand it better, and
that's best done with some kind of practice with it. For you it's
yoga; for me it's music. I suspect they're very closely related.  I
think it's dangerous, however, to disregard technology. Music is
highly technological: some of the earliest technologies we possess in
our museums are musical instruments. But they work to "tune the
intuition". This is what we need our computers to be (the word
"computer" is "com-putare" - "putare" is "to contemplate"). I suspect
the problem is the logic of the digital computer... music (and yoga?)
itself seems to work on the basis of some kind of analogue computation

Stafford Beer wrote this account of Ross Ashby's sudden decision to
join Von Foerster at the University of Illiinois. I found the
manuscript in Beer's archive in Liverpool. Beer was fascinated by
Ashby's decision. Ashby (who was quite a cold fish, by all accounts)
expressed his rationale for his decision...

"Late in 1960, a group of Heinz von Foerster’s friends were together
in the evening at Heinz’s home in Urbana, Illinois. A complicated
ballet ensued, the choreography of which I do not altogether remember.
At the precisely proper – the balletic -  moment, Heinz offered Ross a
Chair in BCL. He quietly accepted, without a moment’s pause, and asked
to telephone his wife back home in Bristol. It was the middle of the
night: thank goodness that the sun moves from East to West. Everyone
concerned was totally astonished – Mrs Ashby, I think I may say,
especially. And so he changed his life: for vitally important years
1961- - 1970, W Ross Ashby MD was Professor in the Department of
Biophysics and Electrical Engineering at the University of Illinois in
Urbana. It couldn’t have happened to a nicer psychiatrist.

We walked back alone together to the Faculty Club, where we had
adjacent rooms, across the campus under a full moon. We were strolling
quietly and relaxed. I told him that I was amazed at his instance
decisiveness. He asked me why. I talked about his scientific acumen,
his meticulous methodology, his exactitude: I had expected him to ask
for a year to consider, to evaluate the evidence for and against
emigration. Surely his response had been atypically irrational?

He stopped in his tracks and turned to me, and I shall never forget
his TEACHING me at that moment. No, he said calmly. Years of research
could not attain to certainty in a decision of this kind: the variety
of the options had been far too high. The most rational response would
be to notice that the brain is a self-organizing computer which might
be able to assimilate the variety, and deliver an output in the form
of a hunch. He had felt this hunch. He had rationally obeyed it. And
had there been no hunch, no sense of an heuristic process to pursue?
Ross shrugged: ‘then the most rational procedure would be to toss a

Best wishes,


On 13 March 2018 at 07:38, Alex Hankey <alexhan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Mark and Alberto,
> Let me propose a radical new input.
> The Human intuition is far more
> powerful than anything anyone
> has previously imagined, except
> those who use it regularly.
> It can be strengthen by particular
> mental practices, well described
> in the literature of Yoga.
> Digital Computing machines are
> not capable of this, and although
> number crunching is a way for
> Technology to assist, it is no substitute
> for the highest levels of the human mind.
> Alex
> On 13 March 2018 at 01:10, Mark Johnson <johnsonm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Alberto,
>> Thank you for this topic – it cuts to the heart of why we think the
>> study of information really matters, and most importantly, brings to
>> the fore the thorny issue of technology.
>> It has become commonplace to say that our digital computers have
>> changed the world profoundly. Yet at a deep level it has left us very
>> confused and disorientated, and we struggle to articulate exactly how
>> the world has been transformed. Norbert Wiener once remarked in the
>> wake of cybernetics, “We have changed the world. Now we have to change
>> ourselves to survive in it”. Things haven’t got any easier in the
>> intervening decades; quite the reverse.
>> The principal manifestation of the effects of technology is confusion
>> and ambiguity. In this context, it seems that the main human challenge
>> to which the topic of information has the greatest bearing is not
>> “information” per se, but decision. That, in a large part, depends of
>> hypothesis and the judgement of the human intellect.
>> The reaction to confusion and ambiguity is that some people and most
>> institutions acquire misplaced confidence in making decisions about
>> “the way forwards”, usually invoking some new tool or device as a
>> solution to the problem of dealing with ambiguity (right now, it’s
>> blockchain and big data). We - and particularly our institutions -
>> remain allergic to uncertainty. To what extent is “data-ism” a
>> reaction to the confusion produced by technology? Von Foerster sounded
>> the alarm in the 1970s:
>> “we have, hopefully only temporarily, relinquished our responsibility
>> to ask for a technology that will solve existent problems. Instead we
>> have allowed existent technology to create problems it can solve.” (in
>> Von Foerster, H (1981) "Observing Systems")
>> With every technical advance, there is an institutional reaction. The
>> Catholic church reacted to printing; Universities reacted to the
>> microscope and other empirical apparatus; political institutions
>> reacted to the steam engine, and so on. Today it is the institution of
>> science itself which reacts to the uncertainty it finds itself in. In
>> each case, technology introduces new options for doing things, and the
>> increased uncertainty of choice between an increased number of options
>> means that an attenuative process must ensue as the institution seeks
>> to preserve its identity. Technology in modern universities is a
>> particularly powerful example: what a stupid use of technology to
>> reproduce the ancient practices of the “classroom” online?! How
>> ridiculous in an age of self-publishing that academic journals seek to
>> use technology to maintain the “scarcity” (and cost) of their
>> publications through paywalls? And what is it about machine learning
>> and big data (I'm struggling with this in a project I'm doing at the
>> moment - the machine learning thing is not all it's cracked up to be!)
>> Judgement and decision are at the heart of this. Technologies do not
>> make people redundant: it is the decisions of leaders of companies and
>> institutions who do that. Technology does not poison the planet;
>> again, that process results from ineffective global political
>> decisions. Technology also sits in the context for decision-making,
>> and as Cohen and March pointed out in 1971, the process of
>> decision-making about technology is anything but rational (see “The
>> Garbage Can Model of Organisational Decision-making”
>> https://www.jstor.org/stable/2392088). Today we see “Blockchain” and
>> “big data” in Cohen and March’s Garbage can. It is the reached-for
>> "existent technology which creates problems it can solve".
>> My colleague Peter Rowlands, who some of you know, puts the blame on
>> our current way of thinking in science: most scientific methodologies
>> are "synthetic" - they attempt to amalgamate existing theory and
>> manifest phenomena into a coherent whole. Peter's view is that an
>> analytic approach is required, which thinks back to originating
>> mechanisms. Of course, our current institutions of science make such
>> analytical approaches very difficult, with few journals prepared to
>> publish the work. That's because they are struggling to manage their
>> own uncertainty.
>> So I want to ask a deeper question: Effective science and effective
>> decision-making go hand-in-hand. What does an effective society
>> operating in a highly ambiguous and technologically abundant
>> environment look like? How does it use its technology for effective
>> decision-making? My betting is it doesn’t look anything like what
>> we’ve currently got!
>> Best wishes,
>> Mark
>> On 6 March 2018 at 20:23, Alberto J. Schuhmacher <ajime...@iisaragon.es>
>> wrote:
>> > Dear FIS Colleagues,
>> >
>> > I very much appreciate this opportunity to discuss with all of you.
>> >
>> > My mentors and science teachers taught me that Science had a method,
>> > rules
>> > and procedures that should be followed and pursued rigorously and with
>> > perseverance. The scientific research needed to be preceded by one or
>> > several hypotheses that should be subjected to validation or refutation
>> > through experiments designed and carried out in a laboratory. The Oxford
>> > Dictionaries Online defines the scientific method as "a method or
>> > procedure
>> > that has characterized natural science since the 17th century,
>> > consisting in
>> > systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the
>> > formulation,
>> > testing, and modification of hypotheses". Experiments are a procedure
>> > designed to test hypotheses. Experiments are an important tool of the
>> > scientific method.
>> >
>> > In our case, molecular, personalized and precision medicine aims to
>> > anticipate the future development of diseases in a specific individual
>> > through molecular markers registered in the genome, variome, metagenome,
>> > metabolome or in any of the multiple "omes" that make up the present
>> > "omics"
>> > language of current Biology.
>> >
>> > The possibilities of applying these methodologies to the prevention and
>> > treatment of diseases have increased exponentially with the rise of a
>> > new
>> > religion, Dataism, whose foundations are inspired by scientific
>> > agnosticism,
>> > a way of thinking that seems classical but applied to research, it hides
>> > a
>> > profound revolution.
>> >
>> > Dataism arises from the recent human desire to collect and analyze data,
>> > data and more data, data of everything and data for everything-from the
>> > most
>> > banal social issues to those that decide the rhythms of life and death.
>> > “Information flow” is one the “supreme values” of this religion. The
>> > next
>> > floods will be of data as we can see just looking at any electronic
>> > window.
>> >
>> > The recent development of gigantic clinical and biological databases,
>> > and
>> > the concomitant progress of the computational capacity to handle and
>> > analyze
>> > these growing tides of information represent the best substrate for the
>> > progress of Dataism, which in turn has managed to provide a solid
>> > content
>> > material to an always-evanescent scientific agnosticism.
>> >
>> > On many occasions the establishment of correlative observations seems to
>> > be
>> > sufficient to infer about the relevance of a certain factor in the
>> > development of some human pathologies. It seems that we are heading
>> > towards
>> > a path in which research, instead of being driven by hypotheses
>> > confirmed
>> > experimentally, in the near future experimental hypotheses themselves
>> > will
>> > arise from the observation of data of previously performed experiments.
>> > Are
>> > we facing the end of the wet lab? Is Dataism the end of classical
>> > hypothesis-driven research (and the beginning of data-correlation-driven
>> > research)?
>> >
>> > Deep learning is based on learning data representations, as opposed to
>> > task-specific algorithms. Learning can be supervised, semi-supervised or
>> > unsupervised. Deep learning models are loosely related to information
>> > processing and communication patterns in a biological nervous system,
>> > such
>> > as neural coding that attempts to define a relationship between various
>> > stimuli and associated neuronal responses in the brain. Deep learning
>> > architectures such as deep neural networks, deep belief networks and
>> > recurrent neural networks have been applied to fields including computer
>> > vision, audio recognition, speech recognition, machine translation,
>> > natural
>> > language processing, social network filtering, bioinformatics and drug
>> > design, where they have produced results comparable to and in some cases
>> > superior to human experts. Will be data-correlation-driven research the
>> > new
>> > scientific method for unsupervised deep learning machines? Will
>> > computers
>> > became fundamentalists of Dataism?
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > AJ
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> > Alberto J. Schuhmacher, PhD.
>> > Head, Molecular Oncology Group
>> >
>> > Aragon Health Research Institute (IIS Aragón)
>> > Biomedical Research Center of Aragon (CIBA)
>> > Avda. Juan Bosco 13, 50009 Zaragoza (Spain)
>> > email: ajime...@iisaragon.es
>> > Phone:(+34) 637939901
>> >
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