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Only Fjords that have a copy of the cream gene can  create White Duns - so 
that'd be Whites, Yellows, and potentially a Gray or  two (as Gray dun "masks" 
a 
single cream gene).  Short of a  spontaneous mutation, you'll never get a 
White from two Browns, or a Brown and  Red, or two Reds.
    Re: White and patterning genes - many are dominant,  and can cause 
defects/death in homozygous form.  Dominant White,  Overo, and Roan in horses 
are 
all homozygous lethal; Roan prenatally...I don't  recall about Dominant White, 
I'll have to look that up.  Interestingly (to  me anyway - LoL) there are genes 
in my dwarf hamsters that work the same as with  horses - Platinum causes 
white ticking (like Roan), and is also prenatal  lethal.  Mottled causes white 
patches like Overo, and is also postnatal  lethal.
    Ruthie - Did you get my message about the White  German Shepherds?
 
 
Jamie
In the Mountains SW of Denver,  CO

 
 
 
In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:13:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
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So your  thinking is, that only a white dun can have a white dun, or a white 
dun  and a brown dun probably? Is there ever a white dun born to both brown  
duns? I think someone touched on this before, maybe you, but I just want  to 
make sure I have it right.

The reason this interests me is  because I just went through this with a dog 
breed I'm into. I tackled the  color theory but soon discovered it was very 
complex and had different  formulas for different breeds! What applies to one 
breed, for creating  white, doesn't necessarily apply to another breed.. and 
sometimes it's not  a bad thing, and sometimes it is!  ?!?

Same with horse breeds I  believe, with some of them it is a bad thing and 
25% of their offspring  don't make it, but with the Fjord breed it is a 
different kind of  occurrence I am told, hence my interest.

My dog breed study, re: white,  is surrounding a herd breed that has white 
accents (bib & paws)  normally occurring.. ordinarily called piebald white I 
believe. But every  once and again there will be a litter of total white pups 
born (sometimes  half a litter--but all white bodies) born to colored parents 
(?!)...which  occurrence is a non-standard irregularity. I began to wonder 
that maybe it  could be a marker for inbreeding as it only occurs when there 
is a  particular dog way back in both pedigrees ..and if either dog is again  
mated with a different dog, all is well (no marker match). sorry to  digress, 
but wanted to amplify my interest. I am back to square one on the  subject. 
If anyone knows of further information on the study I'd love to  hear about 
it.

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