This message is from: "Douglas Knutsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all
Champion ponies wrote:
"Only Fjords that have a copy of the cream gene can create White Duns - so
that'd be Whites, Yellows, and potentially a Gray or two (as Gray dun
"masks" a
single cream gene). Short of a spontaneous mutation, you'll never get a
White from two Browns, or a Brown and Red, or two Reds.".
Actually, Grey Fjords may carry the cremello gene. the also may not,
depending on their genotype. From his produce, Smedsmo Graen apparently does
carry the cremello gene, and apparently Erlend does not. A caveat from Tor
Nestaas is that we may not have a big enough sample from Erlend to tell for
certain.
Peg
www.elltel.net/kffjord/
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Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Ola Gik's white genes
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Only Fjords that have a copy of the cream gene can create White Duns - so
that'd be Whites, Yellows, and potentially a Gray or two (as Gray dun
"masks" a
single cream gene). Short of a spontaneous mutation, you'll never get a
White from two Browns, or a Brown and Red, or two Reds.
Re: White and patterning genes - many are dominant, and can cause
defects/death in homozygous form. Dominant White, Overo, and Roan in
horses are
all homozygous lethal; Roan prenatally...I don't recall about Dominant
White,
I'll have to look that up. Interestingly (to me anyway - LoL) there are
genes
in my dwarf hamsters that work the same as with horses - Platinum causes
white ticking (like Roan), and is also prenatal lethal. Mottled causes
white
patches like Overo, and is also postnatal lethal.
Ruthie - Did you get my message about the White German Shepherds?
Jamie
In the Mountains SW of Denver, CO
In a message dated 8/12/2006 1:13:34 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So your thinking is, that only a white dun can have a white dun, or a
white
dun and a brown dun probably? Is there ever a white dun born to both
brown
duns? I think someone touched on this before, maybe you, but I just want
to
make sure I have it right.
The reason this interests me is because I just went through this with a
dog
breed I'm into. I tackled the color theory but soon discovered it was
very
complex and had different formulas for different breeds! What applies to
one
breed, for creating white, doesn't necessarily apply to another breed..
and
sometimes it's not a bad thing, and sometimes it is! ?!?
Same with horse breeds I believe, with some of them it is a bad thing and
25% of their offspring don't make it, but with the Fjord breed it is a
different kind of occurrence I am told, hence my interest.
My dog breed study, re: white, is surrounding a herd breed that has white
accents (bib & paws) normally occurring.. ordinarily called piebald white
I
believe. But every once and again there will be a litter of total white
pups
born (sometimes half a litter--but all white bodies) born to colored
parents
(?!)...which occurrence is a non-standard irregularity. I began to wonder
that maybe it could be a marker for inbreeding as it only occurs when
there
is a particular dog way back in both pedigrees ..and if either dog is
again
mated with a different dog, all is well (no marker match). sorry to
digress,
but wanted to amplify my interest. I am back to square one on the
subject.
If anyone knows of further information on the study I'd love to hear
about
it.
