Really I wasn't considering the delay as a real solution.  It was just
something I was using to probe for clues.  

"the embedded object cannot exist prior to the 
onload event firing or it will require activation. Period."

Actually, that's not true.  The only time it DOES require activation when
inserted by a deferred script (<script defer src="whatever.js"></script>) is
if the user clears their cache and revisits the page without restarting
their browser first.  It is this edge case for which I am seeking a
workaround.


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ryanm
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 5:20 PM
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Eolas "fix" and backspace key flash bug

> Perhaps there is a magic sweet spot between the execution
> of deferred scripts and window.onload when elements can be inserted into 
> the
> document without "click to activate".
>
    There's no magic there, the embedded object cannot exist prior to the 
onload event firing or it will require activation. Period. Don't use a 
delay, use the onload event. A delay is unpredictable because you are 
working on the client side, where bandwidth, network congestion, and the 
size of the images and other files loaded into the page will cause the 
amount of time before the onload event fires to vary drastically. To state 
that more clearly, you will *never* accomplish this in any predictable way 
using a time delay, not even if you make the delay over 1 minute, because 
somewhere there is still a guy using a 14.4 modem.

ryanm 

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