This is going to fade.. JavaFX will never be used for an online ad
banner or some little blending
effects on pictures. It has the same audience like Flex RIAs and due to
this fact the expectations
change. When you are forced to wait for 2MB of pictures just to see them
blend on top of a page
mixed with the content you really have been after - that sucks.
But if you have an ebay RIA (for example) in which you can handle
multiple auctions at the same time and
modify your auction pictures in a photoshop like environment - hey this
is just an example, I just mean
more an application instead of a "dynamic webpage") you do want to wait
for this additional amount of
time. It only depends on your expectations...
Anthony Pace schrieb:
If you still need to have downloaded the JRE in order to use javaFX,
then it still has the same issue it always had... most people are
impatient and can't stand waiting for such a large download to
complete; especially, when they are using a 56k modem.
Latcho wrote:
I only said they had the tools for years (java) and the examples
(cool nerd applets, processing) to make that shift earlier and to
create the atmosphere and invitations to a "multimedia" minded crowd
(how old is that word now).
How come that for ex the videoplayer war was on real, ms and qt ?
Where was java, where were the java api's, tutorials on video and
codec support? Where were the tools and the starter kits.
Some where in underground hackersland maybe. Thats what I imply.
That's why Java always missed the boat, to get the wright buzz out on
the wright time; It just always looked so java, and the dev's thought
it was all good with thre new skin toolkit end the sun was shining.
How much time does it take to get that nickel dropping ? And how much
time will they need to catchup if we merge into a another cycle witch
requires new tools and sets new expectations ? And for that reason
I'm not encouraged to jump on their boat. They managed to release
some-200X-thing and it was about time. Time for the nickel to fall.
Latcho
dr.ache wrote:
I did not say anything else. No one says that it's a direct opponent to
flash. but I am pretty sure that this is gonna steal the show for
flex in the
business line. When you have to build really huge applications
enterprise
developer are the first who can manage that - and now with the
ability of
a front-end extension to their OWN language and environment (which
includes
everything that is still lacking in flex and flash or is at most in
the beginning
of development like unit tests, dependencies visualisation,
blablabla...) they
do not need to switch to things like flex. they just need to learn
that package
like some flash developers need to learn , whatever.. Tweenlite ;-)
Just to remember. I just say, there IS a good reason for them to
further develop java fx
Ashim D'Silva schrieb:
As for Java, yes, it's the original, yes, it's a more powerful
engine, but
as far as front-end web work goes, both those don't matter too
much, ease of
production, I think, trumps them. And with Flash 10 (CS4) artists and
developers have an incredible platform, with simple 3D, inverse
kinematics
with soft skinning, and a shit load more all ready to go. I don't
see Java
competing with that too easily. Java always seemed to have its own
space,
which I knew nothing about; Fx is confusing me.
That said, I'd back open source if its got a chance.
2008/12/7 Latcho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi Dr. Ache,
It's not about it's power. It's also about marketing and market
penetration
and providing newcomers a solid entry point. Furthermore ...
The level of complexity that flash can have now can be harder on
starters;
AS3, compilers, design patterns and so on will be are no out of
the box
toys. The main difference for me is that you can start easy and
animation
friendly via the flash IDE and it's fine documentation.
The historical super technical java docs, silly examples. the
packaging,
the badly documented differences between compiling for online and
local aps,
and a missing IDE or compiler gui pulled me from going further
after some
experimenting with it. Just now, nearly half a decade later, after
being
mentored by good tutorials, a very communicative and a helpful
flash and AS
community from a simple video editor up to a design-pattern-level
coder,
just now I would have the courage to check it out again.
By the way: processing providde me with a nice wrapper and
support to get
visual stuff done for starters; I loved it and it's betst part ->
: the
java displaying power and the easy applet pubishing.
http://processing.org/
Latcho
dr.ache wrote:
What I am concerned I do not see any reason why they should NOT
do this.
I find its pretty obvious.
a) They do already have a language actionscript tries to mimic
more and
more with every release.
b) They do have the power flash is lacking especially what
desctop is
concerned.
c) Java was meant to be the internet language ever since. Meaning
it has
all you need for web based systems.
d) Its open source
e) Serious corporations DO use Java for their networks and with
Flex Adobe
is trying to become more mature to be recognized by those
companies (SAP,
etc)
d) Just a guess, but I would say there are more Java developer
out there
then flash developers - so a hugh audience.
e) etc etc
I dont think JavaFX will replace something like flash... but it
has great
power and this is the first release... do you remember flash 1?
Latcho schrieb:
Dunno why they put energy in this. Java, they had their chances for
online animation-focussed penetration, too late now I guess.
And the site crashed my pretty stable FF3.
Anthony Pace wrote:
I am sure if better coders provided better examples it would
work well;
yet, the applications seem to take forever to load and I have a
pretty
decent system.
Eric E. Dolecki wrote:
On my Mac in Firefox when I scroll the page, that player UI
flickers on
and
off. Pretty lame.
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:15 PM, Jim Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
I checked out the drag-able component sample on javafx.com
and it
didn't work. If you're interested in the details, I put them
in a
comment on Sten Andersen's blog here:
http://blogs.citytechinc.com/sanderson/?p=49#comment-714
hth
Jim
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