As you said Alex, started a new thread and lets see what happens.
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Alex Harui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Didn't take much time at all. Wrote it while running unit tests. Please > start a new thread about a scheduling framework and what is missing. I > doubt I will have time to do anything, but maybe someone else in the > community can. > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Vivian Richard > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 8:14 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, > soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C > > > > Wow!!!! Alex you definitely did spent a lot of time to write > this email. Your time is really precious for the whole user > group. I am sure you could come up with another excellent > flex example if you would code during this time!!! :-) Alex > please develop a good example of flex schedule framework. > It is been a while that "flex schedule framework" came out > and there are no good examples out there. Now we > are looking at you to show us the way. Please give us time > and develop ALEXIAN example of "flex schedule frame work". > It is not a rude demand but a humble request. Cheers.... > > On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Alex Harui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Matt Chotin is away this week and has moved from development to product >> management and therefore must now choose his words carefully. I'm still in >> development so maybe I can get away with more. >> >> >> >> Robert, I don't think we've met, and I haven't gone back to see your past >> history with Flex, but I would like to ask you to think twice about the >> way >> you are trying to get your message across before hitting send. Sending >> high >> priority messages, and maybe not having all of your facts straight, >> discredits your message and invites others to get mad or poke fun or both. >> I believe your message is that Adobe also sells solutions via Scene7 and >> Adobe Consulting and could purposefully or accidentally end up competing >> with independents like yourself, and that there are alternatives to Flex >> such as OpenLaszlo and Silverlight and Quicktime. That part of your >> message >> is not really debatable. I've worked for Lotus and IBM in my past and they >> also both sold development tools and had solutions teams and there is a >> fine >> line they have to walk. Occasionally, they stepped on one of their >> independents. >> >> >> >> It is unfortunate that you've been burned in the past, and you and others >> should definitely keep on the lookout for competition whether from Adobe >> or >> other independents. However, the call to arms to have everyone attend a >> webinar did not warrant "red alert" status. Yellow maybe. And based on >> your past, I'm surprised you would place so much weight on what you would >> hear in a webinar or in any public statement by Adobe. This is a fast >> moving marketplace and Adobe can change its mind right after talking to >> you. You'll always have to read the tea leaves and be ready to change >> course yourself. >> >> >> >> Finally, this forum is not an Adobe forum. There are non-Adobe moderators. >> As far as I'm concerned, you can get on your soapbox anytime you want, but >> if you want to reach a wide audience, fire and brimstone may not be the >> best >> approach. If you just want to vent, please warn us up front. And when you >> get on your soapbox, sometimes you just have a clever comeback line or >> just >> ignore the hecklers, including me. Yelling back at them is a waste of your >> energy. Take the high road, choose your technologies, remain nimble and >> good luck to you. >> >> >> >> -Alex >> >> >> >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Robert Thompson >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 3:50 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [flexcoders] OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Silverlight, AJAX, >> soon Quicktime, and also DHTML and W3C >> >> >> >> If you would just read your own comments you'd realize I'm posting >> objectively and angering just the few of you. >> >> I'm thankful to the posters the other day who said, essentially, if you're >> not interested don't read it. >> >> If your thankful to get some information to get to the root of the matter, >> look into it. >> >> I spent $1,777 on FLEX 3.0 with ILOG Elixr, and a lot more on Master >> Suite. >> >> So don't tell me I don't have the right to question the money I've spent >> and >> the time invested, and cut my losses, and simply make others aware that >> there is a "War of the RIAs going on" and if you care to look into it, >> here's an article on it, >> >> http://counternotions.com/2007/11/15/apple-runtime-answer-2/ >> >> I have asked questions about coding. But I'm also looking for the >> stability >> of the platform. I pushed very hard from someone to step up and create an >> OpenGL framework, and although I'm sure there are others, I was one of >> them, >> rooting for Adobe, and Macromedia developers like Matt Chotin and a few >> others appreciated it. >> >> Most of these responses are just anger letting out....it's the nature of >> the >> game when posting a controversial warning about the coding your doing and >> it's value 2 years from now when nearly everything can be done (I estimate >> 80% of what is commonly done in eCommerce, will be done using Scene7.com, >> not a FLEX developer earning a living). >> >> Fyi, I made no claim that OpenLaszlo.org is a new effort, it's in version >> 4, >> but what is happening in version 4i is newer. >> >> Throw the chip on your shoulder at someone else; I'm trying to warn some >> of >> those out there that may blindly make the same mistakes I made in my 20's >> by >> blindly trusting Microsoft and believing being chosen for an event to >> showcase my product was a good thing, an endorsement. It wasn't. It was a >> precursor for a patent. >> >> Try to take the emotions out of this with the words like "Crap" and such. >> >> -r >> >> On Friday, August 29, 2008, at 03:01PM, "Michael Schmalle" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>Doug, >>> >>>I take your hand and walk through fiery hell in hopes the Mr. Person might >>>be exorcised. >>> >>>Mike >>> >>>On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Doug McCune <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> God forgive me, for I have sinned. I am responding to a thread I know >>>> I absolutely should not have replied to. Sorry for encouraging the >>>> ranting, I just couldn't not reply when this amazing email came into >>>> my inbox. Robert, I'll address each paragraph one at a time and tell >>>> you exactly why this message, as well as the ones you have been >>>> sending in the last day or so, are in fact complete spam and worthy of >>>> the comments you have received. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Robert Thompson >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<plasmaphonic%40mac.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > OpenLaszlo.org supports Flex, Flash, Silverlight, AJAX, soon Quicktime >>>> >>>> Simply incorrect. OpenLaszlo has been around for years and has always >>>> targeted both the Flash runtime and AJAX. That's what it does and >>>> that's what it has always done. You write an app and you can target >>>> Flash or DHTML. There it no support for Silverlight, there is no >>>> "support" for Flex (what woudl that even mean?), I don't know what you >>>> are suggesting when you claim they "support" Quicktime but that >>>> doesn't even make sense. If you are going to make wild claims please >>>> back them up with references so we can verify. I also want to point >>>> out that this sentence and only one other short sentence later in this >>>> message (also completely factually incorrect) are the only two parts >>>> of this email that have anything at all to do with the subject of this >>>> thread. >>>> >>>> > First of all to the gentlemen suggesting I'm slamming the list. I am >>>> > not >>>> and I take offense at that. Don't accuse me when I am responding to >>>> someone >>>> else. I posted only 2 original posts and they were in the best interest >>>> of >>>> the [flexcoders] community, some agreed, some did not. Do not accuse me >>>> of >>>> spamming unless you are from Adobe and moderating this list. >>>> >>>> This has nothing to do with the topic you posted. If you have a gripe >>>> about someone's reply then reply to that. By creating a new thread and >>>> filling it with completely unrelated paragraphs like this you are in >>>> fact spamming the list. >>>> >>>> > Second of all, I've been continuing to research this, and have a >>>> > simple >>>> answer to the "Runtime Wars" that are very real and goign on and are a >>>> part >>>> of the acquisition of Scene7 which DIRECTLY RELATES TO FLEXCODERS. Don't >>>> question, Mr. Person who accuses me of spamming, my motives when I'm >>>> trying >>>> to get to the bottom of this. >>>> >>>> Completely unrelated to the subject you posted. >>>> >>>> > Thirdly, OpenLazlo.org has also scene the shifting going on in the >>>> industry between Silverlight and Flex/Swf, Quicktime SDK, and others and >>>> has >>>> begun and open source solution. So there you have it. Do not accuse me >>>> and >>>> get aggressive without doing your own research. >>>> >>>> Again, OpenLazlo has been around for years, I assume most people on >>>> this list know about it. And even if not this post does not provide >>>> any new information whatsoever, and instead only provides misleading >>>> and factual incorrect information. >>>> >>>> > I'm in this to better our investments in time and money (for those who >>>> care about it). If you continue to defame me with an accusation of >>>> Spamming >>>> you better back it up with an Original Posting by me that is off topic. >>>> I >>>> am >>>> not Spamming, and if you feel I have, show me, and If it's true I will >>>> stop >>>> it. But I intend to get to the bottom of this legally or otherwise. >>>> >>>> Fine, cheers, have fun. But this post does not have any information >>>> regarding the topic you posted, so please keep the personal monologues >>>> under wraps unless you are talking about something. You want an >>>> original posting that is off-topic? THIS ONE. >>>> >>>> > EVERYONE BE AN INDIVIDUAL: Don't let anyone sucker you into thinking >>>> > for >>>> you. Do your own research and look to OpenLaszlo.org which appears to be >>>> a >>>> noble effort recognizing the struggles going on in Adobe with the >>>> resignation of the CEO last Fall. >>>> >>>> Again, OpenLazlo is not new. It has nothing to do with the Adobe CEO >>>> at all. Do your own research before spamming with incorrect >>>> information please. >>>> >>>> > [flexcoders] should be aware that they have multiple options and One >>>> blasted person trying to tape my mouth shut by claiming I'm spamming had >>>> better be from Adobe and not just another developer trying to cut-down >>>> free >>>> speech that IS ON TOPIC WITH THE FUTURE of our Investment in Time and >>>> Money. >>>> Do any of us want to waste 4 years only to find out it was for not? >>>> >>>> I don't think anyone is denying there are multiple options, we're just >>>> saying that you going off on long rants without any information of >>>> substance is getting annoying. >>>> >>>> > If you claim I'm spamming the list by providing a URL, my URL earlier >>>> posted was so I could present the research I'm doing w/o posting to this >>>> group and offending people like you who just get in the way. >>>> >>>> No, we're claiming you're spamming the list by messages exactly like >>>> these. >>>> >>>> > I like the earlier posting of the individual lady who said, let it >>>> > live, >>>> or feed it. The comments thereafter were uneeded and more contrary to >>>> the >>>> policies of polite procedure of this group than trying to inform. >>>> others. >>>> I've been there, I've been screwed by a large company who did a very >>>> similar >>>> thing that is happening now; so if you don't want to listen, skip the >>>> posting and stop accusing me. >>>> >>>> God, I really wanted to skip it, I just couldn't... it's a weakness of >>>> mine, I have a hard time letting ridiculousness pass by without >>>> calling it out. You, my friend, are being ridiculous. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Teoti Graphix, LLC >>>http://www.teotigraphix.com >>> >>>Teoti Graphix Blog >>>http://www.blog.teotigraphix.com >>> >>>You can find more by solving the problem then by 'asking the question'. >>> >> >> > >
