That's cool, but believe me, I've seen things that one should not see from actual Microsoft documents.
Flash is here to stay, but I believe a battle will ensue in the next year or so and it will be "diversionary" as is always the case with ms. They are smart people but apply less of their smarts to products, and more of it to very diversionary ways to offset who might be to blame. Take the Java JVM, they licensed it, gave a diplomatic outward idea of supporting it, and it was found during trial that they purposely hacked it to perform poorly. They will _not_ I believe do this in IE7 -- but I _do_ believe it's entirely possible for them to use co-branded browsers of theirs to "accidently purposely" pass off bad code to other markets. It always takes a offensive position with people like this; they live by a different philosophy and are very persistent and clever in diversionary tactics of long-term competition; patient also. Avalon is good; good for Windows. But the essence of Flash is great performance on multiple platforms, and it will take good graphics engines in OSX and Linux and Flash support of them to keep competetive. Remember, unfortunately IE and Windows still dominate. What I've found is MS competes nominally when on a level playing field; they are the typical "Born on 3rd Base and wake up thinking they hit a triple play" people. All I'm saying is this; I'm on Macromedias side; I'm not looking for the destruction of MS, but I am very aware of what they are, who they are (they are what they do and they can never escape that), and the fact that I believe those high up such as billg and mulglia and alchin etc. and even whats-his-shiny-head-name, they believe it's perfectly fine in their hearts to compete like they do -- Please just keep an eye on them Macromedia. I realize there's a need to cooperate -- but look them in the eye diplomatically but fully realize there are documents that show what kind of people they are and they cannot be trusted unfortunately until they have a long term proof of it. -r --- Aldo Bucchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ...I strongly > > believe with the coming of Avalon, and the > dramatic > > milestone in Video Flash Player 8 has made, that > we > > will see the opportunistic activities to try to > harm > > flash player... > > Yeah... it sometimes scares me to think that MS > could do something to harm FP. > But then, the only thing they really "could" do is > to completely cut > support for the player in the newer versions of > their browser / OS / > or whatever ( I can't think of a smaller/simpler > boycott ). > BUT, since Flash content is so prevalent on the net, > they would be > risking a major flee from IE to Firefox or any > other! What do you > think my little brother would do if he finds that > the new version of > IE doesn't allow him to play his favorite flash game > on the web.... > or my mom sees a zillion blank squares where flash > ads were supposed > to go. > > and then I feel safe: flash is here to stay! > > > On 11/3/05, Robert Thompson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is a good argument Dave. > > > > I agree AJAX is good in it's data retrieval; but > my > > experiences thus far is that it is a "hack" more > than > > anything. If you have any good url examples maybe > > I'll reconsider this. > > > > To me, Search Engine Indexing is an issue here > also; > > that may not be important for Corprate Intra-net, > but > > for the Cinematic eCommerce "experience" as you > call > > it (and I agree) with the local data that can be > > managed in an actual data-management paradigm > (again > > versus a hack) it is a huge selling factor. > > > > I have a method of indexing to Google until there > is > > full Search Engine compliance and protocol with > Flash. > > > > My main argument actually in all of this, is I > just > > know, and again, mark my words, that MS will > attempt > > hacks in the next 2 years, just as they did for > Java > > JVM for Sun (and remember this was proven fact) > and > > Apple's QuickTime (also proven fact), and Blue > > Mountain and Real Player had their issues...I > strongly > > believe with the coming of Avalon, and the > dramatic > > milestone in Video Flash Player 8 has made, that > we > > will see the opportunistic activities to try to > harm > > flash player... > > > > ...I'm going to stop there but this is all good > > discussion for one reason: The Flex guys need all > the > > perspective they can get just in case they are > unaware > > of what some of us know...I hope Ajax does what it > can > > do...but then again, DHTML was supposed to be more > > than it actually is so was VRML...nuff said... > > > > -r > > > > > > --- Dave Wolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > The problem with this argument is that there are > > > indeed very good > > > products which make using AJAX extremely easy > these > > > days in a simple > > > 4GL environment. You can do things like right > click > > > a control, enable > > > AJAX and bind that right to data. I can do an > AJAX > > > development demo > > > that will have you gawking. > > > > > > You can also get into them at well under the > $25K > > > price for the TIBCO > > > one that got referenced in here. > > > > > > The whole point everyone is glossing over is > that we > > > all keep talking > > > about how Flex is vs AJAX. I think thats a HUGE > > > mistake. I would > > > talk about how similar Flex actually is. > > > > > > See, AJAX is just the idea of pulling discrete > > > potions of data back > > > and feeding that data into the UI. When you mix > > > that with the ability > > > to update the UI with dynamic updates without > page > > > refreshes you know > > > show true value in the approach. > > > > > > But see.... Thats what Flex does. By default > Flex > > > data services are > > > async and by default you can update discrete > potions > > > of the UI without > > > page refresh. > > > > > > Now, with Flex thats just the smallest snippet > of > > > what makes it so > > > valuable. A truly rich cinematic experience, > > > animations, great > > > controls, great tools, amazing UI's, none of the > > > restructions of HTML. > > > None of the nightmare of DHTML, etc. And the > whole > > > HTML/DHTML part > > > is what people just gloss over. So many > companies > > > can point to huge > > > failures with DHTML projects. DHTML is the > dirty > > > little secret the > > > AJAX pundits dont want to talk about. > > > > > > So generally when I'm asked to compare and > contrast, > > > I tend to compare > > > more then contrast. I say look, async data > access > > > is important, and > > > Flex does an amazing job of it. Actually Flex > does > > > it the exact way > > > an AJAX project would. However async data > access is > > > just the first 25 > > > miles in a long journey. You need a solution > that > > > can go the whole > > > trip, and make the experience amazing. > > > > > > Just my ramblings..... > > > > > > -- > > > Dave Wolf > > > Cynergy Systems, Inc. > > > Macromedia Flex Alliance Partner > > > http://www.cynergysystems.com > > > > > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Office: 866-CYNERGY x85 > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Dave > Carabetta > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 11/3/05, Aldo Bucchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > Thanks Daniel, Dave > > > > > > > > > > Dave, it might be in alpha, but it is still > > > excelent leverage that can > > > > > be used today. If a big client goes for an > > > expensive Ajax framework > > > > > for all 2006 then good bye to selling flex > for a > > > whole year. I don't > > > > > want that to happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I certainly understand that, but it's kind of > === message truncated === __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/nhFolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
