I think you are misunderstanding that I am saying. Let me try it
this
way and see if my point comes across more clearly.
A large
portion of UML is dedicated to answering the question of WHAT
you are
developing. For example, use cases and activity diagrams both
focus on
figuring out WHAT the problem set involves. So as an
example, WHAT you are
designing might be an account registration
process which needs to support the
ability to validate a users
password by a pluggable number of password rules.
That is the WHAT.
It doesnt go into HOW you plan to implement that screen or
process.
The HOW side would be modelled in something like a class
diagram or a
state transtion diagram. It might model that you need to create
an
interface (code not graphical interface) which defines an API for
a
pluggable set of rules (say the Command pattern that Cainforn loves
so
much) etc. UML can wonder from the WHAT and into the HOW in
certain
digrams. Some UML tools can generate source code to implement the
HOW
side of the equation.
Yes I would argue that there is a lack of
Flex specific UML tooling,
but Flex is very new. I would not be surprised to
see more UML code
generation tools. Then again there are actually quite a few
UML tools
that can generate AS itself. A quick Google search reveals
many.
http://www.google.com/search?q=actionscript+UML&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official
I'm
quite a fan of a product called Enterprise Architect which has
ActionScript 2
support in it. Check it out at
http://www.sparxsystems.com/ea.htm
Hopefully
I made my point about the difference between WHAT and HOW in
UML. The
confusion came in that you were not interested in code
generation.
I
will leave my editorial comments about code generation and Caingorn
for
another thread. For folks that have followed my threads here for
the last few
years I think my position is well known.
--
Dave Wolf
Cynergy
Systems, Inc.
Adobe Flex Alliance Partner
http://www.cynergysystems.com
http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs
Email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]stems.com
Office:
866-CYNERGY
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com,
"Bjorn Schultheiss"
<bjorn.schultheiss@...> wrote:
>
>
The cowboy disagrees.
>
> I have just heard you pour your heart out
about your innovative
approaches
> to developement process and how cool
your UI's are.
> Then in the next paragraph let me quote.
> I dont
think that your choice of HOW you develop software has any
impact on
>
WHAT you are developing,
>
> I for one would be all for the
developement of a UML tool or FB
plugin that
> will generate code that
leverages the Cairngorm framework.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Bjorn Schultheiss
> Senior Flash Developer
> QDC
Technologies
>
>
> _____
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com]
On
> Behalf Of Dave Wolf
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2006 7:01
AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
>
Subject: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex2] What do you use for modelling a Flex2
>
application...?
>
>
>
> Flex development *is*
like traditional development. The richness of
> the user experience and
the wonder that you can deliver in terms of
> creativity does not open the
door to chaos in the development process.
>
> Just because
historically people feel Flash development was "cowboy"
> doesnt mean that
Flex development has to assume that role. Our
> clients range from little
startups to the second largest retail bank
> in the nation. Cowboy is not
an option.
>
> We may have an innovative approach to the
development process, one
> which borders on some more bleeding edge ideals
(say Agile), however
> the dicipline in the development process is the
same. From our model
> and design sessions, to cases in the issue
management system, to
> strict use of source control, automated builds and
deploys, unit tests
> etc. That's how great software is written regardless
of the technology.
>
> We are passionate about the richness of the
user experience. You will
> see it in the amazing UI's our folks are
building and in our people.
> We are also passionate about the
development process.
>
> This thread started by talking about
modelling tools and how
> applicable they are to flex. I dont think that
your choice of HOW you
> develop software has any impact on WHAT you are
developing, and
> modelling is all about WHAT.
>
> --
> Dave Wolf
> Cynergy Systems, Inc.
> Adobe Flex Alliance
Partner
> http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergysystems.com>
ystems.com
> http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs>
ystems.com/blogs
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:dave.wolf%40cynergysystems.com>
stems.com
>
Office: 866-CYNERGY
>
> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
ups.com,
> "Joost
Nuijten" <flexcoders@> wrote:
> >
> > Sometimes I
wish Flex development was more like traditional
application
> >
development. At the other hand I shiver at the thought that the
> coolness
of
> > Flex is degraded to this way of working. Flex = Flash. And Flash
is
> supposed
> > to be a creative chaos, cool, far away of the
boreness of the IT
> world and
> > full of passion. That is how
it's supposed to be.
> >
> > But it really depends on your
kind of business...
> >
> > ~joost
> >
> >
_____
> >
> > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
>
[mailto:flexcoders@yahoogro
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
ups.com]
>
Namens
> > Thomas Rühl -akitogo-
> > Verzonden: maandag 7
augustus 2006 9:59
> > Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> >
Onderwerp: Re: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex2] What do you use for
modelling
a
> > Flex2 application...?
> >
> >
>
>
> >
> > Thanks for your interest so far... but this
isn't really the
> direction I
> > intended to point
out.
> >
> > Dave, I know that the documentation and
modelling process basically
> > doesn't depend on HOW an application
is written. I'm not trying from
> > model to generated code, although
it would be really neat to do so in
> > some cases ;)
> >
> > My concern is to evolve a process, starting with modelling an
> > application the "good old" way using software architecture
> > possibilities. This not only helps me to evaluate and improve an
> > application, in fact it is also important for me regarding
>
documentation
> > and maintenance processes.
> >
>
> Again, I do not necessarily want to generate the code based on a
UML or
> > other kind of diagrams, my interest targets the development
process
> > before actual implementation starts.
> >
>
> As I said, for the Java world, there are lots of tools which we are
> > missing for Flex at the moment. Problem being, these tools are
mostly
> > Java specific (for which I think they shouldn't), since
they DO
want to
> > generate code out of the model. And this is the
reason I am
interested
> > in how other folks do the
modeling.
> >
> > Cheers, Thomas
> >
> >
------------------------------------
> >
> >
Thomas Rühl
> > Design, Programming & Concepts
> >
> > akitogo OHG
> > Hanauer Landstrasse 188
> >
60314 Frankfurt
> >
> > Telefon +49 (0) 69 800 69 445
>
> Fax +49 (0) 69 800 69 449
> > Mobil +49 (0) 179 750 75 87
>
> E-Mail thomas.ruehl@ <mailto:thomas.ruehl%40akitogo.com>
akitogo.com
> > Web http://www.akitogo. <http://www.akitogo.
<http://www.akitogo.com>
com>
> com
> >
> >
------------------------------------
> >
> >
Jason wrote:
> > >
> > > There are several AS2
model2code generators such as:
> > > http://www.darronsc
> > <http://www.darronsc
> <http://www.darronschall.com/weblog/archives/000174.cfm>
>
hall.com/weblog/archives/000174.cfm>
> >
hall.com/weblog/archives/000174.cfm
> > > <http://www.darronsc
> > <http://www.darronsc
> <http://www.darronschall.com/weblog/archives/000174.cfm>
>
hall.com/weblog/archives/000174.cfm>
> >
hall.com/weblog/archives/000174.cfm>
> > > http://www.codeallo <http://www.codeallo
> <http://www.codealloy.com/umlconverter.htm>
y.com/umlconverter.htm>
> > y.com/umlconverter.htm
> > > <http://www.codeallo
<http://www.codeallo
> <http://www.codealloy.com/umlconverter.htm>
y.com/umlconverter.htm>
> >
y.com/umlconverter.htm>
> > > and some others I can't
remember right now.
> > >
> > > It will just be a matter
of time untill someone updates one of the
> > > projects for AS3,
and ideally for Cairngorm.
> > > I poked around on sourceforge, but
did not see an started project.
> > >
> > > Darron
Schall my be willing to provide his source as a starting
point
> >
> for anyone looking to pick up the project -- it looks like he has a
>
> > SVN repository set for the source.
> > >
> > >
--jason
> > >
> > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
> ups.com
>
> > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, "Joost Nuijten"
> > > <flexcoders@> wrote:
> > >
>
> > > > I think what Thomas is trying to say:
> >
> >
> > > > In the Java world there are a lot of powerful
tools that generate
> > > the base
> > > > skeleton
of code out of a model. For the Flex world this is
all hand
> > >
work.
> > > > And how do we cope with this?
> > >
>
> > > > That is why it is important that we have a framework
such as
> > > Cairngorm. The
> > > > one thing that
we do not have is an automated tool that
> generates the
> > >
> Cairngorm base skeleton.
> > > >
> > > > **
thinking about creating one myself **
> > > >
> > >
> Joost
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > >
>
> > > > Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
> ups.com
>
> > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogro
<mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
> ups.com
>
> <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>]
> > >
Namens
> > > > Dave Wolf
> > > > Verzonden:
maandag 7 augustus 2006 2:33
> > > > Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> ups.com
>
> <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> Onderwerp: [flexcoders] Re: [Flex2] What do you use for
modelling
a
> > > Flex2
> > > > application...?
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> Why does the implementation language (the HOW) have anything
> >
> > significant to do with the modelling and documentation
solution
you
> > > > use (the WHAT) ?
> > > >
> >
> > Are you trying to go from model to generated code?
> > >
>
> > > > If modelling is important to your development
process, tried and
> > > > trusted modelling solutions such as
UML would be capable of
> > > > documenting and managing the WHAT
side of the development process
> > > > regardless of the
implementation HOW language.
> > > >
> > > >
--
> > > > Dave Wolf
> > > > Cynergy Systems,
Inc.
> > > > Adobe Flex Alliance Partner
> > > >
http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergys
> <http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergysystems.com>
ystems.com>
> > ystems.com
> > > <http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergys
> <http://www.cynergysystems.com>
ystems.com> ystems.com>>
> > ystems.com
> > > >
http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergys
> > <http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs>
>
ystems.com/blogs> ystems.com/blogs
> > > <http://www.cynergys <http://www.cynergys
> <http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs>
ystems.com/blogs>
> > ystems.com/blogs>>
> >
> ystems.com/blogs
> > > >
> > > > Email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >
stems.com
> > > > Office: 866-CYNERGY
> > >
>
> > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > >
ups.com,
> > > > Thomas R�hl -akitogo-
> > > >
<thomas.ruehl@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> > > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
>
> > > > > it's been a while now, since the Flex2 SDK is
out and rockin' ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Not
only for larger projects, multiple teams or team members and
> > >
> > documentation purpose, I'd like to know, what everyone is
>
using for
> > > > > modelling a Flex application. For the Java
world I know, the
tools
> > > > > available are very
powerful and work very well out of the
box and
> > > > >
integrate with each other. There are also things like OmondoUML,
> >
> which
> > > > > we can be used for designing Java apps
(doing use case and
> sequential
> > > > > diagram sort
of stuff) in conjunction with creating the
> > > > corresponding
code.
> > > > >
> > > > > The lack of
Flex-specific tools for that kind of work still
leads
> > > >
> towards endless times spent on the drawing table - at least
on
my
> > > side..
> > > > >
> > > >
> So, the question coming up my mind is, in what ways do you all
>
design
> > > > > your Flex applications before/during or after
implementation, if
> > > any....?
> > > >
>
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
Thomas
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > ------------------------------------
> > >
> >
> > > > > Thomas R�hl
> > > > >
Design, Programming & Concepts
> > > > >
> > >
> > akitogo OHG
> > > > > Hanauer Landstrasse
188
> > > > > 60314 Frankfurt
> > > >
>
> > > > > Telefon +49 (0) 69 800 69 445
> > >
> > Fax +49 (0) 69 800 69 449
> > > > > Mobil +49 (0)
179 750 75 87
> > > > > E-Mail thomas.ruehl@
> > >
> > Web http://www.akitogo. <http://www.akitogo.
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com>
> > com
> > > <http://www.akitogo. <http://www.akitogo.
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> com>> com
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