Scott, you are right about co-existence. I've been following WPF (and /e) for a year now. Silverlight has quite a ways before competing with Flash but it is clear there is a market for Silverlight.
Bottom line, competition breeds innovation, IMO. With Silverlight being here...Flash HAS to step up and I mean the player. This is only going to make Adobe seriously make some big advancements. Not that they have been lacking with updates but now the pressure is on. I mean...who's pushed Flash in the last few years? MM/Adobe developers and the community. That's all well and good but people will be looking at Silverlight apps/sites/animations and saying "I wish Flash could do this!" This would be big time pressure on Adobe to produce results. * Silverlight will not crush Flash. * Flash is no longer the only player in the game. * Both have their own markets. * Flash will be on top for many years to come. * I'm happy Silverlight is as good as it is and still growing. (remember, v1 isn't out yet and it has some Flash's new abilities) Disclaimer: I'm a Flash Platform geek to the core. Being objective is just a good quality. ;-) On 4/21/07, Scott Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Paul, How many enterprise / companies do you know are shopping around for electronic forms built in PDF vs SAAS solutions? PDF is a danger in some organisations, it's something they want to put as much distance away from as possible and prefer to leave them buried in the Document Management Solution(s). I'm not saying it's not worth the persuit (I think MSFT has some stuff in this space as well, forgive me as I've not cared to look into what they are) but do so *NOT* at the expense of FLEX/RIA development world-wide. 2002 RIA Theory was written down, people bought it (I for one, hey he also was the brains behind CF, so I owe my mortgage to his last idea, so figured he'd be worth the second). It's 2007 and RIA is supposed to be bigger! Yet, isn't as widespread. So, Microsoft are looking to give developers access to three tiers of User Experience through a more mature approach that goes beyond the runtime stck with a focus on the developers initially, get them on firm footing, then go look at the higher ends of town as by this point developers, whom are just as important, have validated the substance of the technology on merit. Good Experience AJAX / HTML / CSS Great Experience Silverlight Ultimate Experience Windows Presentation Foundation ASP.NET <http://asp.net/> 2.0 has reduced effort by up to two-thirds since ASP 1.0 was produced, I say this as being a Coldfusion developer for 9 years I'm amazed at how fluent one is able to go from ASP to AJAX, so I can only hint that going from ASP.NET <http://asp.net/> AJAX to Silverlight is going to be enormous in productivity gains and with the right tools, this hopefully should seem effortless. Steve.B looked like a loon when he jumped up and down about "Developers, Developers, Developers" but he was right, this is where the focus should be at the start of technology, expand when you get their blessing first and this is based off of "uptake". Validating RIA? Hate to break the news to one and all, but Microsoft's focus is to stimulate the online/offline application market whom have been using DHTML solutions for years, to get more robust and scaleable by offering the above three tiers of experience potential. Flash has it's own agenda, and Microsoft isn't about to crush that - hence I why I echo, it's about co-existence not changing technology stacks. Adobe make great output, but I worry at times about the input as I know they can do better (similar with Microsoft, only reverse, great at input but at times need work on output). No two companies are perfect. I rant but I'm not buying Adobe's direction on this one - if I may say that clocked off MSFT's payroll and using Flex on my weekend(s). On 4/22/07, Paul DeCoursey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I agree that Adobe is ignoring a large market. The low cost remoting > product kind of already exists in open source, third party, and in > house solutions. What Adobe is doing with Live Cycle is capturing the > niche markets that do need PDF workflow in their RIA Applications. > These companies have deep pockets and will use these for projects that > can save them millions of dollars a year. > > I don't think that Adobe needs to have the low cost remoting product > in their line, and I think that Adobe is counting on third parties and > the community to provide those solutions. > > Paul > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com>, "Scott > Barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > I got could point for point with you and sound like a goose, but > overall, > > I'll push back with a question. How many people on this list are in > need of > > PDF work flow generation vs Remoting that's easier to work with on > both JAVA > > and .Net while at the same time have a low cost barrier. I'd like to > think > > that Scrapblog.com <http://scrapblog.com/> concepts could do more with > Adobe technology, instead > > they had to shop around and thankfully WebORB folks have a descent > product > > to cope with this burden. > > > > LiveCycle is just not ready to be slotted into RIA as it's still > somewhat > > foreign to the "RIA" momentum. It's forcing the issue. > > Microsoft has more to learn, and I'll be sure to flog them where I > can to > > make that happen. I'm in Seattle next week and i'm not there to eat > > lunch/dinners and party, I have reasons and it's to do with Web 2.0 > and RIA > > :) > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Scott Barnes > > > > -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com
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