Doug, Here are the numbers. looks pretty consistant; once the critical mass was reached.
-TH Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 2008 3282 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/97736> 3513 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/101018> 3859 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/104531> 3476 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/108390> 2848 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/111866> 1798 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/114714> 2007 3444 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/59891> 3059 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/63335> 3747 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/66394> 2912 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/70141> 3097 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/73053> 3558 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/76150> 2740 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/79708> 3299 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/82448> 3334 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/85747> 3373 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/89081> 2799 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/92454> 2483 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/95253> 2006 1300 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/26936> 2138 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/28236> 2673 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/30374> 2138 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/33047> 3027 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/35185> 3586 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/38212> 3854 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/41798> 3473 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/45652> 2583 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/49125> 2862 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/51708> 3127 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/54570> 2194 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/57697> 2005 1672 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/7445> 1372 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/9117> 1891 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/10489> 1924 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/12380> 1839 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/14304> 1733 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/16143> 1571 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/17876> 1383 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/19447> 1286 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/20830> 1852 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/22116> 1708 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/23968> 1260 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/25676> 2004 66 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/1> 499 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/67> 433 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/566> 623 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/999> 806 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/1622> 939 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/2428> 686 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/3367> 811 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/4053> 1320 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/4864> 1261 <http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/messages/6184> --- In [email protected], "Doug McCune" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Actually, this is worth going back to, because your initial email said that > the group was "stagnant" and has plateaued with the number of new users and > questions. Except your reason for bringing it up is that the traffic has > gotten too much for you to read every message. So clearly the level of > traffic isn't stagnant. Unless what you're saying is that about 6 months ago > the traffic reached a critical level where you couldn't deal with the > traffic but then it stopped growing. > > So I guess I'm saying I question the claim that this list is "stagnant". > Almost 10,000 members and an average of 100 messages a day. Are you saying > that these stats have been the same for the past 6 months? And even if that > is true (although I'd like to see numbers before I accept that) then I don't > even necessarily think that this indicates that there's a problem. There's a > simple fact that a ton of questions have already been accurately answered by > this list. I would hope that the archived knowledge of the list serves to > answer more and more questions that newcomers have, meaning they don't need > to post the questions over and over. > > What is the real problem? I haven't heard anyone say that the traffic on > this single list has stopped them from asking any questions (although I'm > open to the possibility that this is true, and just hasn't been voiced). And > largely I think that the number of people answering questions has remained > high and the response times are still good. I have heard that the traffic > level has stopped people from reading the questions that others ask (I > certainly skim and sometimes skip entire days). I'd argue that a combination > of self-moderated subject tagging, as well as more aggressive pointing > repeat questions to cached answered (and then tagging the entire thread as a > repeat) will largely solve this problem. > > So do you have numbers that indicate the stagnation you are worried about? > > Doug > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky < > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Matt, > > Let us review the goal - in the original post I explained that single > > group causes stagnation. If you agree with the numbers and reasoning behind > > it, let us look at the proposition in that light. IMHO, the mentioned > > measures while staying within the same single group would probably extend > > the number of users by 20-30% byhoping to reduce number of posted messages > > by the same percentage - but it is hardly the goal we are trying to achieve > > here. > > > > Realistically Adobe should be looking for place public pace to exchange > > ideas and networking as well as getting trivial help. The product and > > community are just too big for one group. Let us split it up and let each > > subgroup speak their own language. I would gladly moderate standalone > > enterprise/j2ee/best practices track. But looking few times a day @ the > > whole stream to fish out what might be related to the topic and having some > > messages falling through the cracks might be not the recommended "best > > practices" solution. > > > > Sincerely, > > Anatole > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >> Hey folks, let's calm down a little here, K? > >> > >> Alright, based on what I've been seeing people say, here's my suggestion. > >> > >> 1) Let's get an FAQ going that can be edited by moderators or members of > >> the community. This will be about common problems that folks run into. One > >> suggestion of course from me would be that we use the Cookbook for "how-to" > >> type questions. But for things that don't seem like they're cookbook > >> appropriate, we can put them in the FAQ. I like the idea of doing it in > >> Buzzword, though Buzzword docs won't come up in Google. Long-term I think > >> the right place might be in whatever we set up in the Adobe Developer > >> Center. But for now how about we just allocate a page off of the opensource > >> wiki. We can pick some moderators who can edit the page and I will get them > >> added so they can take care of it. We can also add the link to the FAQ to > >> the bottom of every email. > >> > >> 2) Some folks suggested that you either mark in the body or in the subject > >> something that indicates what you're talking about. Seems reasonable. We > >> could use some of the topics that were being suggested. [UX], [Enterprise], > >> [Data Services] [Announce], etc. We don't need to limit this, but by > >> following a convention of placing the general area of discussion, folks will > >> know if they're going to be capable of getting involved in the thread. The > >> more people follow this convention, the more efficient it will become. > >> > >> 3) We can get aggressive on the moderation. Rather than just scanning for > >> spam, moderators can actually look at the posts by new users and decide if > >> they meet the general criteria for asking a question. If they don't, the > >> moderator can reject the post and point the user to the forum FAQ which has > >> posting guidelines. > >> > >> 4) We can update the flexcoders FAQ (which is actually linked at the > >> bottom of every single post) to include the updated posting guidelines and > >> remove the common questions section so that the forum FAQ is only about > >> forum etiquette and the coding FAQ is about the actual problems. > >> > >> If this sounds OK then what we need are the two kinds of moderators: > >> > >> 1. moderators for the forum itself who are willing to really look at all > >> posts that are in moderation and analyze whether they should be passed > >> through. If it is a poorly formed question, the post should be rejected with > >> a pointer to the forum FAQ. > >> 2. moderators for the FAQ who can pay attention to common questions and > >> update the FAQ as appropriate. > >> > >> If we're all on board, send those moderators to me and we can get things > >> set up. And folks can start following the tagging convention instantly in > >> the meantime. > >> > >> Matt > >> > > > > > > >
