Ok, I hope that everyone will stay calm and not take the law into their own
hands so to speak.

I have contacted the FSF to get their opinion as to whether or not there is
even a violoation here.

If there is a violation, I would hope to have an opportunity to contact this
ebay vendor and explain the details of the violation and offer him/her an
opportunity to restructure their ebay ad in a way that fully satisfies the
terms of the gpl.  They may be a FlightGear friendly person, they maybe a
younger person, who knows.  It's not fair to bring down the full force of
our wrath first without giving them an opportunity to fix the problem.

If I do not make headway with that effort, then the next step is to contact
ebay.

If we still have no satisfactory resolution at that point, then we'll need
to decide then how to proceed.  As John pointed out, he's only sold two of
these.

I'll probably vote for putting him in a cage for 10 minutes with Arnt.

Regards,

Curt.


On 11/17/06, Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 17:25:50 +0100, Durk wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On Friday 17 November 2006 08:02, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> >
> > ..this case is well past "GPL Violation", and fraud.
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Realistic-Professional-Aviation-Flight-Simulator_W0Q
> >QitemZ260053619883QQihZ016QQcategoryZ80336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem states
> >"New &
> > Unregistered 100% Legal, Not OEM, Not Trial" instead of "GPL".
> > Further, http://search.ebay.com.au/_W0QQsassZredlineditQQhtZ-1 lists
> > 16 other digital items,
> > http://pages.ebay.com.au/help/buy/contextual/digital-item.html
>
> On Friday 17 November 2006 17:10, John Wojnaroski wrote:
> > Didier Fabert wrote:
> > >this page is very interesting
> > >http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-violation.html
> > >
> > >i understand that if we think there is a gpl violation, we must
> > >write to
> > > them at [EMAIL PROTECTED] they know if it's a violation
> > > or not !
> > >
> > >regards
> >
> > True, but ultimately it becomes the obligation of the copyright
> > holder to take legal action, and only that individual or
> > organization is legally entitled to do that; i.e. Curt Olson or
> > members who have contributed to the project.
> >
>
> Hey, a random thought just struck me: Isn't it ironic that the person
> who's  been ranting the most about GPL violations is actually be the
> person who  shouldn't be worried the slightest bit about it (in terms
> of actual code /  data contributions, or lack thereof...).

..heh, correct, lack thereof means no standing to sue,
so the ball _is_ in your court. ;o)  Now, as any good
gloklawyer I can point you the right way.  ;o)

--
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three:
  best case, worst case, and just in case.


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