Hi,

..sorry guys, I hit the wrong button: 
..on Mon, 23 Mar 2009 15:54:02 +0100, Gerard wrote in message
<200903231554.03018.ghma...@gmail.com>:

> On lundi 23 mars 2009, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > ..on Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:14:49 +0100, Gerard wrote in message
> >
> > <200903231314.49784.ghma...@gmail.com>:
> > > My purpose was to point that error:
> > >
> > > When we start FG with a JSBSim aircraft on a moving carrier the
> > > groundcache is right, the Aircraft behaviour is right as long as
> > > we don't leave the deck.
> > >
> > > That nice groundcache feature definitively vanish  when we leave
> > > the Carrier, even if we come back on it.
> >
> > ..a question:  Should the "runway carriers" even use the
> > groundcache, "to place the runway correctly"?  And not e.g. a
> > "runway cache" that can move and even bend with its carrier?
> >
> > ..my understanding of the groundcache is, it is meant to tell when
> > and which part of aircraft touches the ground how, where, during
> > flights.
> >
> > ..over water, there's also tides and waves that should help make
> > FG rule on my 405kt prop strikes, with shake or die verdicts.
> > And, sea planes land too.
> >
> > > We get the same error when taking off from an Airport , we get to
> > > land on Carrier, the groundcache on Carrier is not right.
> > >
> > > To conclude ONLY the first FG  init of the groundcache ( on
> > > Carrier ) is right.
> > >
> > > It was not to oblige you to land on Carrier with a JSBSim
> > > Aircraft  :) Mainly because there not any within CVS ( was the F8
> > > which is now broken)
> > >
> > > Cheers
> 
> I am not certain that i do understand the question.

..I am (quite possibly cluelessly) suggesting "runways" or "landing
surfaces" should use something _other_ than groundcache, a "runway
cache" or "relevant landing surface caches" to support the "runways 
that move or bend", that would support carriers, ship borne helipads, 
truck borne 20' freight container tops, water waves, and maybe KSFO 
etc earthquakes too.

> Mathias has introduce a feature which makes that any solid object ,

.._when_???  (Helps me find pointers to try "find out what he did 
when he did that" feature.)

> house on water, ship, carrier, floating bridge  etc.. is now solid
> for any  Aircraft, for instance that Snapshot which shows that  i
> could land  on a ship which was NOT defined to be a carrier, the ship
> was cruising at 25 knots http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/Ouf.jpg

..ok, that shows your chopper finding something to land on.  

..and, you did it on March 2'nd, at 01:43:06:
a...@a45:/tmp $ ll --full-time Ouf.jpg
-rw-r--r-- 1 arnt arnt 79670 2009-03-02 01:43:06.000000000 +0100 Ouf.jpg

..does this still work for you???  (same chopper and same ship etc)

> However that snapshot is showing a YASim Aircraft FDM. To day,  i am
> not sure, that would have been able to get the same result with a
> JSBsim aircraft ( for instance my Harrier GR7 ) .
> Then, now i am sure that won't be able to land, on a moving ship.
> Only possible with a "static" object.

..if you cheat to put your chopper on the ship, will it stay 
there as the ship moves???  

-- 
..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o)
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
  Scenarios always come in sets of three: 
  best case, worst case, and just in case.

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