applause. (from the sidelines of course) ----- Original Message ----- From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Joseph McElroy
> On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Bertrand Clavez wrote: > > > Shit happens sometimes. > > No dearest. Humans attempting to damage others is not 'shit happens'. > Humans attempting to appropriate another's capacity for autonomous, > individual, conscious, volitional ACTION (an aspect of which is > ARTISTIC CREATIVITY) is not 'shit happens'. > > Is this an art-related list or not? > > Pardon me if we got it wrong, but fluxus, like similar art movements > of the sort evolved out of the conscious awareness of others to > encourage_ the audience to PARTICIPATE and DEVELOP ITS OWN CREATIVITY, > it's own VOICE and it's own VOLITION. > > This DOES NOT HAPPEN while you still have--for lack of better words-- > shitheads whose 'performances' are based on degrading, energetically > feeding off and otherwise destroying capable artists and members of > the audience. > > > But this one seems quite private, > > No it isn't PRIVATE at all. It's quite PUBLIC. > In fact Mr. McElroy doesn't KNOW US at all > (he doesn't even know who he's speaking to). > Secondly, what we are addressing is not a 'subjective' > 'point of view' 'opinion' issue--avoid attempting to > misrepresent it as such. > > And in fact it is an issue of PUBLIC awareness. > An artist is a figure who acts in PUBLIC and has > PUBLIC RESPONSIBILITY. Not any twit who fancies > calling itself an 'artist' and using that as a pretext > to abuse others is one--and that is_ part of the awareness > of FLUXUS. > > Your myopic desire to close your eyes and turn your head the > other way and pretend 'things are not happening.' > But things ARE happening, and unfortunately these days > there is a 'plague' of idiots who mistake the invitation > to be 'artistic' as an invitation to be assholes at the > energetic and well-being expense of their audience. > > This is very MUCH so a PUBLIC ISSUE with regards to ART. > > > > and I don't see why it has to happen here. > > Said the darling while closing its eyes tight-tight. > I sdon't wanna see, so there's nothing to see tra le la. > Your failure to see--and abrogation of self-responsibility-- > is your_ problem_. > > > Further, since Ken Friedman/Eric Andersen's flame, I thought those kind of > > personal attacks were supposed to be bannished from the list. > > These are not "personal attacks". > Avoid attempting to misrepresent what is going on. > This is an accurate and precise reflection_ of what > is going on. Lest you have forgotten FLUXUS and DADA > maybe you should refresh your memory with regards > to such, and namely the idea of ARTISTIC REVOLT > against the mistreatment of humans. > > > I guess there's no way to avoid those posts (even if Tamas sometimes thinks > > he's censored). > > why not try something else? > > Avoid attempting to dictate our behavior. > We are PERFECTLY capable of determining for OURSELVES > what is APPROPRIATE for US to DO. > >
