Laughs
(from a tape played backstage)
> applause.
> (from the sidelines of course)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "-IID42 Kandinskij @27+" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 2:48 PM
> Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Re: RHIZOME_RAW: Joseph McElroy
>
>
> > On Tue, 17 Dec 2002, Bertrand Clavez wrote:
> >
> > > Shit happens sometimes.
> >
> > No dearest. Humans attempting to damage others is not 'shit happens'.
> > Humans attempting to appropriate another's capacity for autonomous,
> > individual, conscious, volitional ACTION (an aspect of which is
> > ARTISTIC CREATIVITY) is not 'shit happens'.
> >
> > Is this an art-related list or not?
> >
> > Pardon me if we got it wrong, but fluxus, like similar art movements
> > of the sort evolved out of the conscious awareness of others to
> > encourage_ the audience to PARTICIPATE and DEVELOP ITS OWN CREATIVITY,
> > it's own VOICE and it's own VOLITION.
> >
> > This DOES NOT HAPPEN while you still have--for lack of better words--
> > shitheads whose 'performances' are based on degrading, energetically
> > feeding off and otherwise destroying capable artists and members of
> > the audience.
> >
> > > But this one seems quite private,
> >
> > No it isn't PRIVATE at all. It's quite PUBLIC.
> > In fact Mr. McElroy doesn't KNOW US at all
> > (he doesn't even know who he's speaking to).
> > Secondly, what we are addressing is not a 'subjective'
> > 'point of view' 'opinion' issue--avoid attempting to
> > misrepresent it as such.
> >
> > And in fact it is an issue of PUBLIC awareness.
> > An artist is a figure who acts in PUBLIC and has
> > PUBLIC RESPONSIBILITY. Not any twit who fancies
> > calling itself an 'artist' and using that as a pretext
> > to abuse others is one--and that is_ part of the awareness
> > of FLUXUS.
> >
> > Your myopic desire to close your eyes and turn your head the
> > other way and pretend 'things are not happening.'
> > But things ARE happening, and unfortunately these days
> > there is a 'plague' of idiots who mistake the invitation
> > to be 'artistic' as an invitation to be assholes at the
> > energetic and well-being expense of their audience.
> >
> > This is very MUCH so a PUBLIC ISSUE with regards to ART.
> >
> >
> > > and I don't see why it has to happen here.
> >
> > Said the darling while closing its eyes tight-tight.
> > I sdon't wanna see, so there's nothing to see tra le la.
> > Your failure to see--and abrogation of self-responsibility--
> > is your_ problem_.
> >
> > > Further, since Ken Friedman/Eric Andersen's flame, I thought those
kind
> of
> > > personal attacks were supposed to be bannished from the list.
> >
> > These are not "personal attacks".
> > Avoid attempting to misrepresent what is going on.
> > This is an accurate and precise reflection_ of what
> > is going on. Lest you have forgotten FLUXUS and DADA
> > maybe you should refresh your memory with regards
> > to such, and namely the idea of ARTISTIC REVOLT
> > against the mistreatment of humans.
> >
> > > I guess there's no way to avoid those posts (even if Tamas sometimes
> thinks
> > > he's censored).
> > > why not try something else?
> >
> > Avoid attempting to dictate our behavior.
> > We are PERFECTLY capable of determining for OURSELVES
> > what is APPROPRIATE for US to DO.
> >
> >
>
